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But now we have the resources more than ever to be able to make our game bigger in areas where it is already being played.
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| Quote ="Fingerposts Finest"i've said this before, quins are to be applauded for the work they have done with their academy, there are at least 3 lads who would never have played league if quins didn't exist. tony clubb LMS and will sharpe are certainly international quality players who have come through the ranks. also quins are hardly a new club, they have been going nigh on 30 years...........'"
Yes but they have had 4 different names since 1980 and been bailed out by the RFL. Even Richard Branson couldnt make money out of them
Their highlight was getting to the Challenge cup final all those years ago....and getting walloped
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Yes but they have had 4 different names since 1980 and been bailed out by the RFL. Even Richard Branson couldnt make money out of them
Their highlight was getting to the Challenge cup final all those years ago....and getting walloped
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Right then...work done so I am back for a while my crim buddy!
4 Names or 40....so what?
Bailed out by the RFL how. And before you start spouting more unsubstantiated b0ll0x, post something with a link to a real site (leaguefreak doesn't count) that clearly states how we were bailed out by the RFL.
As for the Bearded one.......he didn't spend a brass farthing marketing the club and EXPECTED people to roll up just because he owned it.
As it is, the reason that most crims I know don't go the stoop is because it's not built on top of a london underground station. Strikes me as a bit odd that they will fly 25,000 miles over here to pull pints and drink in 'strailian themed bars, but they won't walk for 10 minutes to watch the game the are supposed to love.
Fact is cobber..........and I am neither rattled or drunk (working on the second one), but you can spout as much inane drivel on the boards and try to start whipping up a debate about expansion and it's obvious failings, but as much as you post b0ll0x, Harlequins RL or anything else we may become over the coming years, are here to stay. You on the other hand are a transient visitor, with no right to an opinion......especially on something you know SFA about.
P.S. Just hacked your account on here....and you are not banned from the Quins Board HTH
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| Quote ="odemwingie"But now we have the resources more than ever to be able to make our game bigger in areas where it is already being played.'"
In my opinion it would make far more sense to make the game stronger in areas where it is more established before attempting to introduce it into others.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"In my opinion it would make far more sense to make the game stronger in areas where it is more established before attempting to introduce it into others.'"
On that basis League would never have started in Oz. because we have told them not to bother. Why don't you do something positive and start a team in Ayers Rock?
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| Quote ="poplar panther"On that basis League would never have started in Oz. because we have told them not to bother. Why don't you do something positive and start a team in Ayers Rock?'"
'Uluru'
It's no longer referred to as Ayres Rock.
Thanks for your 'worthwhile' contribution though.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"
been bailed out by the RFL.'"
Linky Linky cobber....or have you gone all shy because I asked for a fact as opposed to speculation.
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| This really is one of the daftest threads I have ever seen , Quite astonishing that there are enough bozo's out there to make it to 6 pages
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| You dont seem very intelligent Gutter so I'll try and keep it simple.
London Broncos were in financial strife.
They were bailed out by the chairman and the financial controller of the RFL after brokering a deal between various people.
Personally I would have just let Castleford back in and flushed 'London' down the dunny, but hey ho
Link??
Mate I really can't be bothered trawling the internet for one. But you know the facts as well as I do.
Why not pop back to the London forum where I can't read your posts
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"In my opinion it would make far more sense to make the game stronger in areas where it is more established before attempting to introduce it into others.'"
Look to your own country first, it took them decades to get the game out of Sydney & there are still a lot who begrudge having to see thier teams travel out of the city! When the Broncoes first started up the Sydney clubs wanted expenses paid to travel up north to play. What has Australia ever done for international League? sweet FA! thats what except whinge & whine about our referees, weather, its to dangerous to travel, five weeks is to long away. & God help any Aussie test star who genuinly wants to take his family to experiance life & culture abroad he is stripped of his right to play for his state & country now that is a great way to treat your stars. The last proper tour by GB was ruined by self ed clubs who put out junior sides against the tourists as thier own domestic comp was deemed more important. The reason the game is in a mess is that the amount of money pushed at the Australian teams has put the whole game out of balance. I cant blame the clubs but you must remember that is the number one sport in two states where we in the north are at best third & a long way down the list for cash. Even in the East Yorkshire area Union has more players than league even though it has no major club League away from the two states in Australia will always struggle to find a bigger audiance but at least we try to spread the game. I wonder what would have been the reply if we asked NSW & Queensland to play in the world cup? but GB was expected to split into the home nations for the good of the game. Please dont try & tell us how to spread the game because at least we will try.;
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| Quote ="Beverley red"Look to your own country first, it took them decades to get the game out of Sydney & there are still a lot who begrudge having to see thier teams travel out of the city! When the Broncoes first started up the Sydney clubs wanted expenses paid to travel up north to play. What has Australia ever done for international League? sweet FA! thats what except whinge & whine about our referees, weather, its to dangerous to travel, five weeks is to long away. & God help any Aussie test star who genuinly wants to take his family to experiance life & culture abroad he is stripped of his right to play for his state & country now that is a great way to treat your stars. The last proper tour by GB was ruined by self ed clubs who put out junior sides against the tourists as thier own domestic comp was deemed more important. The reason the game is in a mess is that the amount of money pushed at the Australian teams has put the whole game out of balance. I cant blame the clubs but you must remember that is the number one sport in two states where we in the north are at best third & a long way down the list for cash. Even in the East Yorkshire area Union has more players than league even though it has no major club League away from the two states in Australia will always struggle to find a bigger audiance but at least we try to spread the game. I wonder what would have been the reply if we asked NSW & Queensland to play in the world cup? but GB was expected to split into the home nations for the good of the game. Please dont try & tell us how to spread the game because at least we will try.;'"
It sure is
'Spreading the game' as you put it is clearly not working though.
Which was my original point.
It's like me suddenly setting up an Aussie Rules club in the middle of Driffield and expecting you and your mates to rock up every week and pay to watch.
It wouldnt happen.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"You dont seem very intelligent Gutter so I'll try and keep it simple.
London Broncos were in financial strife.
They were bailed out by the chairman and the financial controller of the RFL after brokering a deal between various people.
Personally I would have just let Castleford back in and flushed 'London' down the dunny, but hey ho
Link??
Mate I really can't be bothered trawling the internet for one. But you know the facts as well as I do.
Why not pop back to the London forum where I can't read your posts
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Linky Linky cobber......
it's getting like the "I've been banned" crap from earlier. All I want is a link to reputable site that says we were bailed out by the rfl? It isn't brain surgery. Oh.....you can't be bothered = there isn't one. The knuckle dragging anti-expansionists have banged on about this "bail out" for years but I have yet to EVER SEE PROOF that it happened.
BTW.....I am as thick as 5hit......which puts me about 250 mensa points ahead of anyone from crimstralia HTH.
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| The RFL missed a trick with welsh rugby and London when we were the only professional game and RU was amateur. If they had set it up then they would have drawn the big players quite easily and the game would be well established now but hey hindsight's a wonderful thing and no sky cash probably wouldn't have made it possible.
Quins problem is marketing and that's it.
They need a huge marketing drive
Celtic need a big backer, better facilities, and a team that can compete. it's their 1st season ffs
Catalans are fine and im glad they are part of SL and i hope we start to see Toulouse in SL too.
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Hehe, I bet you can't back that up with any proof whatsoever
Oh and just for your information, you are not banned from any forum here, I've checked.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Linky Linky cobber......
it's getting like the "I've been banned" crap from earlier. All I want is a link to reputable site that says we were bailed out by the rfl? It isn't brain surgery. Oh.....you can't be bothered = there isn't one. The knuckle dragging anti-expansionists have banged on about this "bail out" for years but I have yet to EVER SEE PROOF that it happened.
BTW.....I am as thick as 5hit......which puts me about 250 mensa points ahead of anyone from crimstralia
HTH.'"
Ever read the AUP on this site??
You might want to edit your post a bit??
2. Member Conduct
2.1. Comments that are wholly designed to upset or cause distress to other members are prohibited on this site.
* We will not tolerate threatening or abusive behaviour. Anyone who is found guilty of acting this way towards any member risks being banned from RLFANS.
* Racist, homophobic, or similarly offensive content is unacceptable.
* This includes messages sent via the Private Message system.
* Where a user wishes to keep their identity private this should be respected.
Entirely up to you though.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Ever read the AUP on this site??
You might want to edit your post a bit??
2. Member Conduct
2.1. Comments that are wholly designed to upset or cause distress to other members are prohibited on this site.
* We will not tolerate threatening or abusive behaviour. Anyone who is found guilty of acting this way towards any member risks being banned from RLFANS.
* Racist, homophobic, or similarly offensive content is unacceptable.
* This includes messages sent via the Private Message system.
* Where a user wishes to keep their identity private this should be respected.
Entirely up to you though.'"
So.....I have acted in a racist manner by calling you a crim? Mate, if it helps, you're actually a crim Troll and a bad one at that, Boo Hoo....help me mods, I've posted my way into an argument I can't win and the big bad nasty Gutterfax is calling me names.....boo hoo..
Get a grip man and grow a set.
By the way...still waiting for the linky linky Skippy
Are you and your sensitive mates having trouble comprehending the idea of FACTS over FICTION?
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Quote ="gutterfax"Linky Linky cobber......
it's getting like the "I've been banned" crap from earlier. All I want is a link to reputable site that says we were bailed out by the rfl? It isn't brain surgery. Oh.....you can't be bothered = there isn't one. The knuckle dragging anti-expansionists have banged on about this "bail out" for years but I have yet to EVER SEE PROOF that it happened'"
www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/ma ... perleaguex
This may help.
Basically its as I said earlier.
London Broncos were in financial strife.
They were bailed out by the chairman and the financial controller of the RFL after brokering a deal between various people.
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it's getting like the "I've been banned" crap from earlier. All I want is a link to reputable site that says we were bailed out by the rfl? It isn't brain surgery. Oh.....you can't be bothered = there isn't one. The knuckle dragging anti-expansionists have banged on about this "bail out" for years but I have yet to EVER SEE PROOF that it happened'"
www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/ma ... perleaguex
This may help.
Basically its as I said earlier.
London Broncos were in financial strife.
They were bailed out by the chairman and the financial controller of the RFL after brokering a deal between various people.
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Not really, no.
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Well what happened was this.....
London Broncos ran out of money.
Probably the fact they were pretty bad and hardly anyone turned up to watch had a lot to do with it.
So in order to survive they got the RFL involved.
They managed to get the Rugby Football League's executive chairman Richard Lewis and his financial controller Nigel Wood to bail them out by persuading at least six of the other 11 Superleague clubs to support the clubs top idea of making themselves bankrupt thereby discharging all their £3 million debts.
Now we have 'Harlequins RL'
A great side who pull in massive crowds every week and are regularly competing for the challenge cup and are one of the top 2 teams in the whole wide world
Thats about it in a nutshell.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/mar/05/rugbyleague.superleaguex
This may help.
Basically its as I said earlier.
London Broncos were in financial strife.
They were bailed out by the chairman and the financial controller of the RFL after brokering a deal between various people.'"
No...what was said in this article
1. The Broncos seemed to be heading for extinction for most of the day, with huge reluctance among their Super League rivals . This is actually supposition. Unless of course Andy Wilson was going to name names, he decided to get a little creative and in a court of Law....would get ripped to shreds!
2. But with the backing of the Rugby Football League's executive chairman Richard Lewis and his financial controller Nigel Wood, the London club's chief executive Nic Cartwright persuaded at least six of the other 11 clubs to support the club's plan during a four-hour meeting at the Galpharm Stadium in Huddersfield. . so, the RFL didn't bail us out. They helped NC convince 6 other clubs to let us stay in. Still no bail out as I can see......let's read on shall we.
3. The Broncos were so close to the brink that an approach was made to Castleford, who were relegated from the Super League last season, about the possibility of returning to take London's placeMmmm....at this point, I think Andy needed to put the cap back on his marker pen. Firstly the RFL were bailing us out. Now they were getting cas ready to step in....make your mind up lad....but wait...there's more...
4. But a majority of the clubs have put the retention of a London presence ahead of the potentially dangerous precedent that the Broncos' financial manoeuvres will set. . So...it was the clubs that voted us back in. There was me thinking it was the RFL
So cobber...I am still waiting for a Linky Linky that contains cold hard facts and not journalistic supposition.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"No...what was said in this article
1. The Broncos seemed to be heading for extinction for most of the day, with huge reluctance among their Super League rivals . This is actually supposition. Unless of course Andy Wilson was going to name names, he decided to get a little creative and in a court of Law....would get ripped to shreds!
2. But with the backing of the Rugby Football League's executive chairman Richard Lewis and his financial controller Nigel Wood, the London club's chief executive Nic Cartwright persuaded at least six of the other 11 clubs to support the club's plan during a four-hour meeting at the Galpharm Stadium in Huddersfield. . so, the RFL didn't bail us out. They helped NC convince 6 other clubs to let us stay in. Still no bail out as I can see......let's read on shall we.
3. The Broncos were so close to the brink that an approach was made to Castleford, who were relegated from the Super League last season, about the possibility of returning to take London's placeMmmm....at this point, I think Andy needed to put the cap back on his marker pen. Firstly the RFL were bailing us out. Now they were getting cas ready to step in....make your mind up lad....but wait...there's more...
4. But a majority of the clubs have put the retention of a London presence ahead of the potentially dangerous precedent that the Broncos' financial manoeuvres will set. . So...it was the clubs that voted us back in. There was me thinking it was the RFL
So cobber...I am still waiting for a Linky Linky that contains cold hard facts and not journalistic supposition.'"
Gutter.
That article appeared in the Guardian
I know you are probably more of a Daily Sport /Beano type guy but trust me.
The Guardian is a pretty accurate paper.
Basically the RFL bailed you out.
You know it.
I know it.
You have been owned AGAIN .. just like you were on your own board.
Move on
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Gutterfax has convered most of it.
And according to the article, they were also asked to put up a significant bond - with financial conditions imposed on them.
So, not bailing out in any conventional interpretation of the term.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Remember the Perth Western Reds? Or the Adelaide Rams??
No. And neither does anyone else.
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Somebody obviously does.
My answer to your question, No.
Rugby League needs to expand to survive long term as most other sports are going from strength so we need to follow suit.
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Repeating falsehoods until proven wrong, then changing the argument....check
Pretending to be australian.......check
Obvious trolling.....check
No coherent argument......check
I think the answer is pretty clear
Hi dally messenger, that username not getting the bites anymore!
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| Quote ="J. Willard Gibbs"Gutterfax has convered most of it.
And according to the article, they were also asked to put up a significant bond - with financial conditions imposed on them.
So, not bailing out in any conventional interpretation of the term.'"
Without the big boys from the RFL getting involved London would have been toast
Thats being 'bailed out' by the RFL in my book
Anyway this is getting off topic now.
No more talk about London RL PLEASE
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