are you having some sort of breakdown? i didnt say that the distance between Doncaster and Sheffield were too close for clubs to exist in, I said they were too close not to be in competition with each other.

Erm no,

but is there a reason why Keighley cant target both keighley and Bingley? or a reason why Halifax cant target Halifax and Bingley?

Be more precise as to what you mean , you are once again talking in riddles because you have no argument , everything has an influence on everything that happens in the entire world

how on earth did me drawing a distinction between a high and low density populations lead to this response?

Or a reason why Keighly cant target both Keighley and London , or a reason why Halifax cant target both halifax and London ?

No there isn't , have I suggested there is ?

no it doesnt. Some things are completely independent of other things. Not every thing in the world is linked. But some things are, im not sure how this constitutes a riddle, i would think it is just common-sense.

But i will give you an example in the hope that this strange meltdown stops. Some would argue that the Premier League exists in a bubble, that the actions of other sports, the economic downturn, etc etc, dont affect it because it is in such a strong position. People still attend, TV rights are still paid, prices are still high for advertising etc, its a turn of phrase, and not something which applies to lower league RL

So we are agreed, Keighley and Halifax can target who-ever they like, and are in competition with each other for every fan everywhere in every corner of the world.

But if we want to know why the competition between Keighley and Halifax for Bingley is different from their marketing battle over London we just need to back a bit and ask ourselves again, D[io you think London is as big a part of the potential market for Keighley and Halifax as Bingley?[/i

Do you think Bingley is as big a part of the potential market for Keighley and Halifax as Keighley and Halifax ?

The distance is irrelivant , the vast majority of marketing in most cases , especially smaller clubs in any sport will take place in the town/city that that club plays in

How simple do you want it

Are you suggesting that no or badly done marketing is better than some well done and managed marketing ?

So you are suggesting that the premier league exists in a bubble , you mean a financial bubble where because of massive television funding it will continue to grow ?

If you had made it clear you meant a financial situation then fine

Problem is though , eventually all bubbles burst

You mean like London having millions of people in it , hardly any of which gives a rats about RL , do you mean like that ?

No, i dont, but i think it is a bigger part than London is.

thats probably why they are small. If they are happy to ignore fans from a town 4 miles away then there really is nothing we can do to help them.

no, im suggesting that both Keighley and Halifax should be advertising, not only in keighley and halifax but also in the surrounding area. Im suggesting that clubs are in competition for some fans, outside the immediate area of the club and they shouldnt give up on them. Im suggesting i can understand why a chairman of a struggling club doesnt want to tell the club 10 miles away how to attract fans from 5 miles away.

no, i meant a bubble as a whole, Football, regardless of what happens in RL, RU, Cricket, still wont struggle for visibility, it wont struggle for promotion or struggle to be in the nations concious, it wont struggle financially, it wont struggle really in anyway

in fact, it is hard to think of a way any other sport, could meaningfully impact in anyway football.

It exists, on its own, unaffected by things which happen outside it. Almost like it is in a protective bubble.

no, i mean that a place with lots of people in a small area is different to a place with few people in a large area.

I mean that a place with a high population density is different to a place with a low population density.

So how come if I wanted to watch United at old Trafford this year , I can get a ticket , whereas in previous years they were not available ?

You are suggesting that premiership football is not affected by the recession ?

im saying it isnt meaningfully.

I have been wondering how many posts in a row you would attempt to put words in my mouth, but i got bored,

Where have I suggested that ? , see you are making things up again

Are they ? , is it working , have their attendances significantly risen ?

Are you suggesting that if every Championship club made an extra £ 100,000 per season , that would be a bad thing

Are you an idiot ?

Every place is different or else they would all be the same

Thing is just because there are lots of people in it doesn't necessarily make it a good place to look for new customers does it , you wouldn't look to sell pork scratchings in Pakistan would you ?

here you said marketing was only done in the town itself, which clearly infers it isnt marketing outside the town [iThe distance is irrelivant , the vast majority of marketing in most cases , especially smaller clubs in any sport will take place in the town/city that that club plays in [/i

I said that shouldnt be the case, as they should be marketing to not only the town but the surrounding area.

why did you think my suggestion of what they should do, was a statement on what they were doing?

i am indeed, that is exactly what I am saying. When I say [iIm suggesting that clubs are in competition for some fans, outside the immediate area of the club and they shouldnt give up on them. Im suggesting i can understand why a chairman of a struggling club doesnt want to tell the club 10 miles away how to attract fans from 5 miles away[/i.What i really mean is if every Championship Club made an extra £100,000 per season it would be a terrible terrible thing



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no, you wouldnt, that is part of marketing. But if you were, it would likely be a good idea to open a shop in Lahore, and one in Karachi, rather than two in neighbouring villages of Waziristan and then compare notes on how to sell on the dirt road between them, ignoring the third village.

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That is a game we both play , ignore what the other actually meant , and try to put a different slant on it

The bottom line is the Championship clubs [ it was only them I was reffering to as you well knew from the start , but you decided to make it messier by bringing the SL clubs into it dont have the money or resouces to market themselves properly in =#FF0000:294ewqjitheir own towns as the stronger every club becomes the stronger the competition becomes

Now if you think that is a bad idea , you are as big an idiot as the majority of club chairmen , they are the ones tipping endless amounts of money into their clubs with no end in sight just to keep operating

you could be a little more imaginative.


Because SL clubs also exist, in the same sphere as Championship Clubs. in which case (if we accept this premise, and i dont) then these clubs cant be protected. If they arent competent to do anything other than market themselves to a tiny amount of people, in a very specific place then the game has already left them behind. If Keighley and Halifax cant get themselves together to market to a town 4 miles away then we are simply prolonging the inevitable death of these clubs.

Personally, i think they can, and i think they can, which is why they dont want to share their approach to marketing because they both believe they can both attract people from these areas.

ahh, but you arent asking them to collaborate for the common good, you are asking them to help their competitors. Working together to advertise the league, coming together to advertise the games between them, is a good idea.

Expecting Keighley to tell halifax how to attract people from Bingley, is mental.



the proof is in the pudding Starbug.

So you are saying the should be marketing themselves both in their respective towns and further afield , but they arent doing it at the moment , why would that be , probably because they havent the money or the resouces available to them ?

And I am suggesting a way that they could have the money and resouces to do that , you seem to think that would be a bad thing

So what do you suggest they do ?

So the biggest club in the country attendances dropping is ' meaningless ' ?

Come on Einstein , Explain ' in the same sphere ' ?

Who has suggested ' protection ' ?

So you agree ?