lolahea would look good in this saints side. lomax not even top 5, being in the best team (so far) does not mean you are the best in your position.

Lolahea wouldn't look good playing for West Wales. He really is poop.

Tries alone do not define whether a player is good or not and whether they are a show pony or not. Danny mcguire is super leagues all time try scorer, won numerous grand finals 2 mom in grand finals rob burrow won 2 as well, both scored tries for fun and spectacular individual ones, great players who did it often and when it mattered, Dorn scored majority s**t easy walk ins see also Ade Gardner Greg eden francis meli anthony stewart. Dorn Like lomax has never done anything when it really matters. I remember Dorn scoring a hat rick at Leeds a few years ago and nobody placed a hand on him and was wooping and giving it large, a few weeks later in the cup final against Leeds he got owned and embarrassed on the biggest stage, flat track bully show pony still the living of a Uk player.

If he does nothing else ever, he did score that corker intercept try against Wakefield. He should quit now whilst he is ahead, i really hope he gets "home sick" and stays in NZ.

ok he is not crap he a decent attacking player but his hair is crap and he is a show pony, not a Iestyn Harris or a Darren Lockyer type (full back/half back) and is defiantly in the Jordan Tansey Mould

Whose these 'Scousers' you speak of?

We lost the cup final in 2014. Dorn scored a hatrick at headingley in 2016 on his first game back after having over 2 months out injured during his final season before retiring, hence his celebrations. Don't let the truth get in the way of your story though. Dorn's record over here was phenomenal especially playing for 2 sides in London and Cas who weren't exactly power houses.

ok that may have been a different game i was thinking off but he defo scored a couple against Leeds that season and got shown up for what he was at Wembley. and the hat rick he did score in 2016 i was right no-one did lay a hand on him just got on the end of moves by other players talents. Aussie chancer could not get anywhere near a regular NRL career players like these is one reason why the talent pool in super league has gone down hill.

Wrong, he didn't score against you that year and you're wrong again on dorn completely. There are far worse players who've forged careers over here than him, he played in 2 semi finals, lost 1 and got motm in the other and lost 1 final. His support play , step and acceleration were very decent and it's simple you don't score as many as he did for average sides to be fair if you're not a capable player. At his pomp he would certainly improve Cas this season and give us some spark, not to mention yourselves. (youre on the brink of a huge desperation Jonny foreigner powder signing yourselves in a bid to stay up)

Now if we are talking foreign imports who aren't anywhere near good enough and could be stubbing the growth of the game over here, you got any in your team right now?! I can think of a few frauds who are stealing a living at Leeds right now.

Anyone any thoughts on the game, or did one not take place?

Yeah I thought saints weren't particularly good but they didn't need to be. Had they have executed good mode then it could have got very ugly. Game was over after 3 minutes.

Cheers.

You're just on the wind up now surely?

Danny McGuire has a .61% hit rate playing in the #1 SL side of all time......Dorn has a hit rate of .65% playing for mostly cannon fodder. ....Burrows is .40%......not able to lace Dorn's Boots.

You name 2 Leeds players trying to put down an Aussie who had a better strike rate than either of those players who were playing in sides who were winning....Dorn played his games English with a side averaging 39% win rate.....yet he outscored your 2 leeds heroes Danny (67% win) and Rob (67%) per game per score......he's no Show Pony, but as I said, you know this and you're on the wind up!

To say Dorn scored easy walk ins, and to exclude McGuire from that, is laughable...

TBH I don’t really agree with the original view that Dorn was a show pony but this whole tries scored thing isn’t really a good comparison. Not only because theirs a lot more to a player than just tries scored but the 3 being talked about here (Dorn, McGuire and Burrow) all played different positions and had different lengths of SL careers. Dorn didn’t start here until 23, if he was here at 18/19 would that percentage still be as high or if he carried on as late as McGuire whose played on older? More seasons McGuire plays that number goes down as he’s less of a try scorer now. The difference in his tries scores percentage before and after his serious knee injury at the end of 2010 would be quite substantial I’d imagine but he became a much more rounded HB over time . Burrow became impact sub hooker in 2011 so wasn’t like he was always on the pitch and towards the end of his career was lucky to get more than 20 mins with the form of Parcell so those numbers above are massively missing important context.

It's a difficult one to choose. If I had to pick one, including longevity, I would probably go for McGuire. He was the ultimate finisher who developed into a creator & organiser. It's hard to be critical of Burrow given his whole approach to the game. I felt sorry when he was moved to hooker, especially given the crap currently masquerading as HBs. But to be critical of Dorn is just bitter & churlish; he is one of the best value imports we have had. He had a better natural all round game than the others but not quite the electric pace of a young McGuire.

I have to second that. Dorn scored some beauties, including an absolute stunner against us at the KC for London I think it was. Very talented player who never got picked up by a top team which surprises me considering some of the dross that has been over here.

I liked Dorn, he was very good to watch and scored some belters, but always thought he was a bit suspect in defence and that held him back from being a really top player.

I suppose when you look at the top teams and the FB’s they had during Dorn’s years it’s not as surprising, Leeds had Webb and Hardaker, Wigan has Tomkins, Saints had Wellens, Wire got Hodgson so their was done quality around the FB position during Dorn’s best years in SL.

Your in the wind up now McGuire and Burrow coukd not kace Dirbs biits yeah ok then if you say so, people will talk about those two for generations people have already forgot about Luke Dorn dont care how many tries he has scored.

Leeds fans might talk about them for generations, I`ve already forgot about DM to be honest and he`s still playing.

IMO Dorn was a decent player that played in average sides, Danny Mag was a decent player that played in a great side and Burrow was a good player that played in a great side.

So, when faced with the cold hard facts (statistics), you talk about "legendary status"....lol......you were the first person to refer to Dorn as a show pony, so there's at least one person who hasn't forgotten him.

McGuire was a significantly better player than Burrow.
McGuire turned himself into a very good half back from his early days which were built on speed and support play.
Burrow never really kicked on as a half which is why he was relegated to a support hooking role. Still had very useful impact don’t get me wrong and helped turn a few important games in our favour. However McGuire was the all round better player and played a significant, consistent role in Leeds victories

McGuire and Burrow were key to why they were a great side. You make it sound like they were a Ryan Bailey or Ian Kirke who were fortunate to be in that era.

I mentioned Jordan tansey as well, could have said Kevin Penny also and maybe a few others.