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| Quote ="PrinterThe"It wasn't you just can't handle criticism of the BBC and are now backtracking that it was banter.'"
Nope...no backtracking at all. I have said consistently through this thread that the best solution for anyone expecting to or wanting to reach extensive RL coverage is to go somewhere else and that calling them pathetic, sloppy or Lazy is pointless and basically incorrect as they run the #1 UK based Media News Website.
You criticising them and saying that they're losing traffic is your prerogative, but the reality is if they were concerned about getting fewer hits they's have addressed the issue......I have not deviated from this stance at all...let alone backtracked.
As for "attacking" anyone, if being compared to Donald Trump is what you call an attack sweetheart, maybe you shouldn't act like him so much.
The F1 page was as sparely populated when I posted, but if it is now updated, maybe the same BBC intern was looking after both those tabs? As for criticism of the site for 2 weeks or for more, the OP has clearly stated that he thinks the site is pathetic.......as for yourself, just because you repeatedly claim there's no agenda, it is exactly what you are saying. Again, this is your opinion and I strongly disagree with it.
Finally, your constant claim that I think the BBC can do no wrong. I have never said this, but once again in your POTUS mode, you repeat this lie over and over again in the hope that it will somehow become fact. The reality is that the BBC are not infallible but in this case, a local sport played by 2 French, 1 London and 21 M62 clubs at its top uk level has little right to "DEMAND" exposure on the NATIONAL broadcasters website.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Nope...no backtracking at all. I have said consistently through this thread that the best solution for anyone expecting to or wanting to reach extensive RL coverage is to go somewhere else and that calling them pathetic, sloppy or Lazy is pointless and basically incorrect as they run the #1 UK based Media News Website.
You criticising them and saying that they're losing traffic is your prerogative, but the reality is if they were concerned about getting fewer hits they's have addressed the issue......I have not deviated from this stance at all...let alone backtracked.
As for "attacking" anyone, if being compared to Donald Trump is what you call an attack sweetheart, maybe you shouldn't act like him so much.
The F1 page was as sparely populated when I posted, but if it is now updated, maybe the same BBC intern was looking after both those tabs? As for criticism of the site for 2 weeks or for more, the OP has clearly stated that he thinks the site is pathetic.......as for yourself, just because you repeatedly claim there's no agenda, it is exactly what you are saying. Again, this is your opinion and I strongly disagree with it.
Finally, your constant claim that I think the BBC can do no wrong. I have never said this, but once again in your POTUS mode, you repeat this lie over and over again in the hope that it will somehow become fact. The reality is that the BBC are not infallible but in this case, a local sport played by 2 French, 1 London and 21 M62 clubs at its top uk level has little right to "DEMAND" exposure on the NATIONAL broadcasters website.'"
No one has "demanded" more. They've questioned why it dropped significantly from its usual level...,,get this through your head.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"No one has "demanded" more. They've questioned why it dropped significantly from its usual level...,,get this through your head.'"
This is quite possibly the 1,000th or so thread regarding BBC coverage of the sport. Be this scheduling games for BBC2 rather than 1, sending letter of complaint to the Parliamentary RL group in the forlorn hope that anything will change, rants about how the BBC over-pay for other products, the lack of overall RL content on the BBC and their websites, the dropping of commentary from some local regional branches, the loss of the RL tab on the international BBC site etc etc etc......and I kid you not, there was actually one poster on here who claimed that the BBC should move Union below League on their sports menu to comply with alphabetic order.......this thread is just another of these bagging the BBC because they don't do enough in the opinion of some.
Gaelic Games are regionalised sports played inside the broadcast area of the BBC (360 clubs in the 6 Counties of NI)....... Neither GAA Football or Hurling have tabs dedicated to them on the site and a quick gander at some of the GAA forums sees that they don't have 15 page threads about being put down by the British Establishment via the BBC, but Rugby League, another regionalised sport inside the Broadcast area of the BBC gets its own tab on the website, its domestic cup comp broadcast live on FTA tv, Internationals and a highlights show available on-line as well as broadcast nationally, but never, ever are RL fans happy with the BBC.........after Football, Horse Racing is the most attended sport in the UK.......I would imagine that the BBC website is not the #1 source of Racing News in the UK. Then in 3rd it's Union, followed by cricket, League, Greyhounds, motorsports, Tennis, Golf........and only one group of supporters contains a handful who whine like little entitled brats about the supposed lack of coverage from the BBC or perceived agenda, or even a 2 week hiatus of no new news.
The very existence of this thread show the insecurity that runs through the veins of the game....from a handful of deluded fans decrying a media bias to people like Adam Pearson at Hull FC claiming parity with Union is a target....there is no bias and we shouldn't be competing with Union but selling our own product more efficiently.....but if there's someone or something else to blame than your average RL fan will do that rather than roll their sleeves up and get on with making the game better.....
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| Quote ="Call Me God"This is quite possibly the 1,000th or so thread regarding BBC coverage of the sport. '"
I don't give a flying F about "other threads". We're talking about this thread. You trying desperately to distract from it because the answer isn't what you want it to be.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"I don't give a flying F about "other threads". We're talking about this thread. You trying desperately to distract from it because the answer isn't what you want it to be.'"
The OP said that the BBC website is "pathetic", I say it is not and back up my stance with the fact that it is the #1 ranked News Media site in the UK. The OP expressed an opinion, I relayed FACT.
As for me attacking posters, backtracking and now apparently distracting, I again claim that you are Donald Trump, because rather than debate the claim that the BBC is a pathetic Website, you've spent 4 or 5 pages trying to convince us that you don't have an agenda whilst accusing someone who disagrees with you of various tactics such as attacking posters, backtracking and now apparently distracting, whilst avoiding the elephant in the room....the BBC.CO.UK/BBC.COM website is the #1 Ranked News Media Website in the UK....and regardless of if you like their RL content, or wonder why it went awry for a couple of weeks, which BTW is your opinion, the FACTS outweigh your opinion every day of the week.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"The OP said that the BBC website is "pathetic", I say it is not and back up my stance with the fact that it is the #1 ranked News Media site in the UK. The OP expressed an opinion, I relayed FACT.
As for me attacking posters, backtracking and now apparently distracting, I again claim that you are Donald Trump, because rather than debate the claim that the BBC is a pathetic Website, you've spent 4 or 5 pages trying to convince us that you don't have an agenda whilst accusing someone who disagrees with you of various tactics such as attacking posters, backtracking and now apparently distracting, whilst avoiding the elephant in the room....the BBC.CO.UK/BBC.COM website is the #1 Ranked News Media Website in the UK....and regardless of if you like their RL content, or wonder why it went awry for a couple of weeks, which BTW is your opinion, the FACTS outweigh your opinion every day of the week.'"
No one has claimed it to be anything other than an opinion, that you don't like people having an opinion says more about yourself.
So they're ranked number 1. Again does this mean they're perfect and without fault? When it comes to recent controversies like gender pay gaps and child abuse cases should people just say "oh well they're ranked number 1 so they can't be criticised as an organisation". Donald Trump became POTUS ahead of millions of other Americans, does this mean you can't criticise him?
It's fact they're are number 1 ranked, but it's only your OPINION that this makes them beyond criticism.
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Where did I say they are beyond criticism?
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Funnily enough was about to come on here and say the same thing. Not one of the headlines on the bbc sport website is about rugby league. There is a 'feature' article further down and a 4 sentence preview of our game right at the bottom and that is it. There is even headline on there about the women's big bash for crying out loud but nothing about rugby league.
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| Quote ="yorksguy1865"Funnily enough was about to come on here and say the same thing. Not one of the headlines on the bbc sport website is about rugby league. There is a 'feature' article further down and a 4 sentence preview of our game right at the bottom and that is it. There is even headline on there about the women's big bash for crying out loud but nothing about rugby league.'"
Frankly this is disgusting from the when you consider we all pay our license fees and deserve better
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| Quote ="Huddersfield1895"Frankly this is disgusting from the when you consider we all pay our license fees and deserve better'"
DESERVE? Why is it that we deserve better?
We get comparable crowds with League 1 football and are 92% a northern based competition with the other 8% French. The BBC give us 2 stories on their sports landing page (international site) 2nd only in content to soccer.......50,000 fans a week attend games
[urlhttp://www.bbc.com/sport/live/rugby-league/42585828[/url
[urlhttp://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/42860499[/url
As for the Licence fee. The BBC have a limited funding pool that has seen then drop many sports, but not RL. Remember that when you next feel the need to whine about the FTA broadcaster that gives our sport access to the largest audience available.
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Nope. What is embarrassing is the need to compare SKY, who are currently broadcasting the game with the BBC who aren't.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"DESERVE? Why is it that we deserve better?
We get comparable crowds with League 1 football and are 92% a northern based competition with the other 8% French. The BBC give us 2 stories on their sports landing page (international site) 2nd only in content to soccer.......50,000 fans a week attend games
[urlhttp://www.bbc.com/sport/live/rugby-league/42585828[/url
[urlhttp://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/42860499[/url
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Nope. What is embarrassing is the need to compare SKY, who are currently broadcasting the game with the BBC who aren't.'"
They do have the rights to Internationals and the CC though. And the advertising for the World Cup was abysmal.
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Then take those rights away from them and let the sport become 100% reliant on 1 TV company for its exposure! The UK media as a whole generally have very little RL coverage if any.....it just seems that the BBC are an easy target. As I have said earlier in this thread, the BBC are the #1 UK based News Media website and if there was a stronger demand for RL coverage they would deliver it.
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Indeed it does, but many on here won't read it because it suits them better to blame the BBC for the woes of the game
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Indeed it does, but many on here won't read it because it suits them better to blame the BBC for the woes of the game'"
Is it the RFL's fault that the BBC don't have enough journalists?
All this repeating of that link of staff cuts whilst at the same time boasting of them being ranked number 1 only makes them sound poorer....not turn it back on RL like you're trying.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Is it the RFL's fault that the BBC don't have enough journalists?
All this repeating of that link of staff cuts whilst at the same time boasting of them being ranked number 1 only makes them sound poorer....not turn it back on RL like you're trying.'"
As I have said. The BBC have cut many sports from their programming as part of sweeping cost cutting.....be thankful they cover the Challenge Cup, SL highlights and Internationals because when they stop, then we will truly be a "niche" sport stuck away on a pay tv and as a result we will further diminish in the public psyche.
If you read the open letter to wood in the lin it is a damning indictment of how poorly the RFL manage the media....
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| Quote ="Call Me God"As I have said. The BBC have cut many sports from their programming as part of sweeping cost cutting.....be thankful they cover the Challenge Cup, SL highlights and Internationals because when they stop, then we will truly be a "niche" sport stuck away on a pay tv and as a result we will further diminish in the public psyche.
If you read the open letter to wood in the lin it is a damning indictment of how poorly the RFL manage the media....'"
Again, is it the RFL's fault that BBC don't have enough journalists? A number 1 ranked website shouldn't have to rely on different sports contacting them.
If the RFL or RL clubs excuse was lack of staff numbers would you defend them?
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"A number 1 ranked website shouldn't have to rely on different sports contacting them.'"
That's your opinion.....the only fact in there is that they are #1.
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Again, is it the RFL's fault that the BBC don't have enough journalists?
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The BBC have plenty of staff....21,000 or so. The fact that the clubs and RFL have been asked by a journalist to do more (read the bloody letter) is damning on them and not the BBC.
I repeat.....#1 at what they do, so regardless of your opinion, the FACT will always be stronger.....they publish enough of the right stuff to be head and shoulders ahead of the rest.
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I repeat.....#1 at what they do, so regardless of your opinion, the FACT will always be stronger.....they publish enough of the right stuff to be head and shoulders ahead of the rest.'"
I've read the letter, it's just excuses. If the RFL replied saying they haven't got the staff numbers to do more marketing would you be excusing them or asking why they don't have the staff?
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Nope....it's an example of what opinion a media outlet holds of the game and its media management.
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Indeed I would. The media don't need RL.........the opposite can't be claimed. It is 100% the role of the clubs and RFL to MAKE THE MEDIA pay attention....there is no god given right to coverage.
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No it's laying the blame from people struggling to do their jobs. Number 1 ranked websites shouldn't need 'minority sports' to help them out doing their jobs.
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There isn't a god given right to coverage, but that doesn't excuse the BBC from not covering as many sports as they can, as well as they can. They should try and cover as many Sports as good they can, if they take the attitude of you and say it's "that sports problem" then they'll probably stop being number 1 or at least not be number 1 by as far a margin as they should be. Maybe that's why media are laying staff off????
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