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| Quote ="bren2k"So now the promo is unsuitable because it doesn't provide a biologically accurate description of the human central nervous system?
That's quite a high benchmark.'"
Perhaps Sir Ian McKellen should have done it as he would have known the difference for sure. Although he's never appeared in it I believe he follows Holby City avidly. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I think you, like Mr Vegas have confused motor neurons and sensory neurons (still not a great reference but closer) personally I would have thought the names sufficed as an adequate explanation of their differing functions but I guess not...
as always, happy to help.'"
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| Quote ="bren2k"So now the promo is unsuitable because it doesn't provide a biologically accurate description of the human central nervous system?
That's quite a high benchmark.'"
not all. my bar is pretty low. Say positive things about the sport. Sadly this add failed to meet that bar and instead focused on criticising other sports. if people want to plait fog about a throwaway comment on Johnny Vegas knowledge of the human body they are of course welcome to do so. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"not all. my bar is pretty low. Say positive things about the sport. Sadly this add failed to meet that bar and instead focused on criticising other sports. if people want to plait fog about a throwaway comment on Johnny Vegas knowledge of the human body they are of course welcome to do so.'"
If your bar is set so low, why aren't you at least happy that Sky are advertising the fact that the SL season is only 2 weeks away.
You've already said that Vegas isn't the problem and many people seem to like the advert, so what's the problem ? |
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Hoisted by your own petard 
Point 3 in your link "motor neurones carry signals from the CNS to effectors"
FYI
Effector organs are smooth muscle, cardiac muscle and glands that respond to nerve impulses from the central nervous system without conscious thought. They are part of the automatic, or involuntary, nervous system, along with receptors, afferent nerves and efferent nerves.
HTH
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In addition, i just found this which is a bit mor in depth explanation of the motor neurons contribution to the "effector organs"
Not GCSE abut easiliy available in the internet should you not just base your opinion on Wikipedia
The digestive system, the heart, the lungs and the diaphragm are examples of effector organs. A living being does not have to use conscious thought to breathe, to digest food or to make its heart beat. Reflex arcs also make use of effectors. A reflex arc is the rapid and involuntary response to specific stimuli, such as the contraction of skeletal muscle to remove a hand from a hot surface.
The activation of effector organs is a relatively complex process. Sensory receptors react to a stimulus, or a change in the internal or external environment, and transform the stimulus into an electronic signal. This signal passes to a sensory neuron, which acts as an intermediary, bridging the gap between the sensory receptors, which are part of the peripheral nervous system, to the central nervous system. The sensory neuron transmits the signal to the central nervous system, where it undergoes processing. The central nervous system then sends a message, as a nerve impulse, to the corresponding motor neurons, which carry the impulse to the effector organ, which finally translates the nerve impulse into a response or movement. |
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Hoisted by your own petard
Point 3 in your link "motor neurones carry signals from the CNS to effectors"
FYI
Effector organs are smooth muscle, cardiac muscle and glands that respond to nerve impulses from the central nervous system without conscious thought. They are part of the automatic, or involuntary, nervous system, along with receptors, afferent nerves and efferent nerves.
HTH
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In addition, i just found this which is a bit mor in depth explanation of the motor neurons contribution to the "effector organs"
Not GCSE abut easiliy available in the internet should you not just base your opinion on Wikipedia
The digestive system, the heart, the lungs and the diaphragm are examples of effector organs. A living being does not have to use conscious thought to breathe, to digest food or to make its heart beat. Reflex arcs also make use of effectors. A reflex arc is the rapid and involuntary response to specific stimuli, such as the contraction of skeletal muscle to remove a hand from a hot surface.
The activation of effector organs is a relatively complex process. Sensory receptors react to a stimulus, or a change in the internal or external environment, and transform the stimulus into an electronic signal. This signal passes to a sensory neuron, which acts as an intermediary, bridging the gap between the sensory receptors, which are part of the peripheral nervous system, to the central nervous system. The sensory neuron transmits the signal to the central nervous system, where it undergoes processing. The central nervous system then sends a message, as a nerve impulse, to the corresponding motor neurons, which carry the impulse to the effector organ, which finally translates the nerve impulse into a response or movement. | |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"If your bar is set so low, why aren't you at least happy that Sky are advertising the fact that the SL season is only 2 weeks away.
You've already said that Vegas isn't the problem and many people seem to like the advert, so what's the problem ?'"
As I've said. it's pandering and says nothing positive about the sport |
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| Quote ="financialtimes"Hoisted by your own petard
Point 3 in your link "motor neurones carry signals from the CNS to effectors"
FYI
Effector organs are smooth muscle, cardiac muscle and glands that respond to nerve impulses from the central nervous system without conscious thought. They are part of the automatic, or involuntary, nervous system, along with receptors, afferent nerves and efferent nerves.
HTH
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In addition, i just found this which is a bit mor in depth explanation of the motor neurons contribution to the "effector organs"
Not GCSE abut easiliy available in the internet should you not just base your opinion on Wikipedia
The digestive system, the heart, the lungs and the diaphragm are examples of effector organs. A living being does not have to use conscious thought to breathe, to digest food or to make its heart beat. Reflex arcs also make use of effectors. A reflex arc is the rapid and involuntary response to specific stimuli, such as the contraction of skeletal muscle to remove a hand from a hot surface.
The activation of effector organs is a relatively complex process. Sensory receptors react to a stimulus, or a change in the internal or external environment, and transform the stimulus into an electronic signal. This signal passes to a sensory neuron, which acts as an intermediary, bridging the gap between the sensory receptors, which are part of the peripheral nervous system, to the central nervous system. The sensory neuron transmits the signal to the central nervous system, where it undergoes processing. The central nervous system then sends a message, as a nerve impulse, to the corresponding motor neurons, which carry the impulse to the effector organ, which finally translates the nerve impulse into a response or movement.'"
Thats lovely and all, and whilst it behooves me to point out to you that the diaphragm and heart are both muscles, and the digestive system contains a huge amount of muscles, perhaps the more pertinent question is why you are trying to argue that the rapid and involuntary response of your digestive system triggered by random 'popping of motor neurons in the brain' (which for some reason we are pretending is the entire CNS) would be a pleasurable experience. A selling point for the game.
I mean, the advert is bad, but even I didnt think it was trying to sell the game on the basis it could cause you to have an ' rapid, involuntary digestive response'. That sounds like a far more shall we say 'specialised' past time.
But its good that you clarified that sensory neurons are the ones which respond to external and environmental stimuli and as such a far better option (if still a strange and imprecise description) |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Great cover. Nobody saw through it. Well done
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| Quote ="wildshot"As for other famous fans to promote the sport, would they work? Such as Wayne Rooney / Ryan Giggs - big fans of the game but closely associated with football.'"
Not to mention Joey Barton he loves Rugby League................ Rio Ferdinand Stuart Pearce |
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I am but a simple man
Love the advert
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Love Johnny Vegas
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It's an advert that will appeal to already die-hard RL fans. The content is awful. From getting a shouty fat northerner to wail at the camera, to slagging-off other sports, and taking a pop at RU. Talk about an advert with a chip on its shoulder...
Would a company advertising RU get a toff to laugh at the peasants who play RL? No it wouldn't. Why do we get the worst advertising even though we have a fantastic product?
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Well, it's done now. Next year there'll be a different ad to moan about. I've yet to see it but surely it can't be any more cringeworthy than the wiggins one?
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Pretty awful advert.
What the makers of such an advert have to realise is that Superleague and Rugby League in general is a brand, and it's a brand that we want new/bigger spending sponsors to back, other broadcasters to look into & new fans to be interested in.
Brand image is so important, and a crap advert of a Northerner shouting at a camera & deriding other sports, is going to do absolutely nothing for the image of the game, it reinforces negative stereotypes in fact. Why would a top sponsor want their brand associated with that?
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| Quote ="TheButcher"It's an advert that will appeal to already die-hard RL fans. The content is awful. From getting a shouty fat northerner to wail at the camera, to slagging-off other sports, and taking a pop at RU. Talk about an advert with a chip on its shoulder...
Would a company advertising RU get a toff to laugh at the peasants who play RL? No it wouldn't. Why do we get the worst advertising even though we have a fantastic product?'"
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| Quote ="TheButcher"It's an advert that will appeal to already die-hard RL fans. The content is awful. From getting a shouty fat northerner to wail at the camera, to slagging-off other sports, and taking a pop at RU. Talk about an advert with a chip on its shoulder...
Would a company advertising RU get a toff to laugh at the peasants who play RL? No it wouldn't. Why do we get the worst advertising even though we have a fantastic product?'"
The whole point of it is to stand out from the crowd, a passing fan seeing a generic one showing tries and skills etc, would probably just assume it was 6 nations or carry on doing what they are doing during the ad break. As soon as Johnny Vegas starts ranting, its immediately something different and they might take more notice, it is pretty funny in its own way. |
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| Quote ="DGM"Pretty awful advert.
What the makers of such an advert have to realise is that Superleague and Rugby League in general is a brand, and it's a brand that we want new/bigger spending sponsors to back, other broadcasters to look into & new fans to be interested in.
Brand image is so important, and a crap advert of a Northerner shouting at a camera & deriding other sports, is going to do absolutely nothing for the image of the game, it reinforces negative stereotypes in fact. Why would a top sponsor want their brand associated with that?'"
Not every piece of marketing has to be aimed at potential new viewers, yes they should be some but you should also do a fair share aimed at a current area of your fan base.
Not every advert has to be for some guy down south who hasn't seen RL before. |
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Not every piece of marketing has to be aimed at potential new viewers, yes they should be some but you should also do a fair share aimed at a current area of your fan base.
Not every advert has to be for some guy down south who hasn't seen RL before.'"
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Not every piece of marketing has to be aimed at potential new viewers, yes they should be some but you should also do a fair share aimed at a current area of your fan base.
Not every advert has to be for some guy down south who hasn't seen RL before.'"
none should be exclusionary. That's the problem. You can advertise to the RL heartlands without excluding everyone else.
the idea it has to be for fat northerners or southern toffs is idiotic for many reasons, not least there are northerners who aren't fat, southerners who aren't toffs and there is no reason the ad couldn't aim for everyone. |
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The last time I checked, despite being 'a fat, northern, thick, working class' fella, Johnny Vegas is not only popular in the North.
And the players in the video certainly don't look fat...
I think it's good - a well known, well liked celebrity talking about what's good about our game and having a few light hearted jabs at other sports to show why he thinks ours is better... why not....
As others have said, something that definitely would have improved it would have been to include some footage - when he's talking about not being soft, follow it with a clip of some monster hits, bloodied heads etc, when he's talking about the passion, some loud crowd footage and a try being scored, athletisim, some in game footage, or one of the wonder 'superman' tries in the corner etc etc just to bring his words to life.
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why wouldn't sky create an advert with Johnny Vegas? He's the perfect analogy for our sport. Years ago was prime time , now has ended up in obscurity! Well played sky
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Preaching to the converted on Sky IMO. We need adverts on national TV.
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| Quote ="Madderzahatter"Preaching to the converted on Sky IMO. We need adverts on national TV.'"
It's been the advert on a few of the you tube videos that I've watched lately, but then again who watches all of those ad's and doesn't click to 'skip ad' after 10 secs |
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