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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Are the winners guaranteed as SL spot, whether as 1 of 12 (replacing Leigh) or as one of 10 (if 10 + 10 reorginisation) - or is it TBC ?
Could it be that Toulouse are treated differently than Fev depending upon circumstances (would they want 2 French teams in a 10 team league, or would they prefer that than having Fev in top league etc?)'"
The new structure is due to come in after next season, isn't it.
In terms of what happens if "we" go with a 2 x 10 structure, you are right to question how clubs will be treated though.
It was a clear as mud when the last franchise system was implemented and considering that 2 of the "favoured" expansion clubs (Newcastle and York) would have been "culled" is the top 20 was chosen on this seasons league standings and that certainly wouldn't go down too well n some quarters.
The 2 x 10 is almost as bad as the 3 x 8's though and will do yet more damage to the sport.
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Are the winners guaranteed as SL spot, whether as 1 of 12 (replacing Leigh) or as one of 10 (if 10 + 10 reorginisation) - or is it TBC ? '"
A number of SL clubs pushed hard on the 2x10 and last week were noted for their determination, but those opposed have equally dug in and the whisper (as this decision affects a lot of stakeholders there are a lot of people discussing it in the meetings and consequently outside the meetings providing a lot of leaks). Latest is no agreement likely so apparently it stays 2x12.
So MPG goes ahead and the winner replaces Leigh, who have Koukash on board to help Beaumont to launch a stronger assault on becoming an SL regular.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"So MPG goes ahead and the winner replaces Leigh'"
as it was always going to be. No amount of rumour and keyboard warriordom was ever going to change it.....the winner will be promoted. If they are not, then the game needs to seriously consider where it wants to be in 5 years time, because for the last 16 years, we've had one of 3 names on the trophy and in the same period we've had Catalans join, whist Bradford, London and Widnes were relegated, Castleford bounced and Leigh pop in now and again, we've had licencing, super 8's, a reduction from 14 to 12....not forgetting the lunacy of Toronto, Hemel moving to Canada.....not to mention the last 2 grand finals have been tense arm wrestles delivering just 5 tries in 160 minutes of a game we have self appointed the greatest, but which in reality is in a downward spiral.
In the same period of time, Football, Union & Cricket have made great strides and increased their incomes and attendances, but we just worry about Toulouse replacing Leigh which means little to either the SKY TV deal nor the attendances across the season.
Personally, I think the 2022 RFL Championship will be an absolute belter of a comp. Whilst everyone tries to get to the GF an then lose to Saints, Wigan or Leeds, the 2nd tier is wide open....I can't wait
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| Good luck to Fev, not sure how many times they've been in this position, right back to when Wakey got promoted.
It would add a lot of spice to games versus Cas & Wakefield & decent attendances too.
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| Toulouse certainly look the fresher team between them, wonder if playing the extra 7 games has taken its toll on the Fev side injury wise
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| I haven't seen much of Fev this season, but I'd guess that was their worst performance of the season.
Congratulations to Toulouse though, fully deserved.
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| Another game at home with no atmosphere
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| Quote ="snowie"Toulouse certainly look the fresher team between them, wonder if playing the extra 7 games has taken its toll on the Fev side injury wise'"
They played 14 more games in total than Toulouse ( inc. the 2 cup competitions that Toulouse didn't want to enter)
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Another game at home with no atmosphere'"
If your pit village side can't be bothered to plan ahead and create an "event" when Catalan, Toulouse, London etc are in town, then that's on them.
Personally I hope Toulouse buy an NRL squad and challenge for the play offs next year....another deadwood club that's been holding back SL will drop down....between Wakey, Salford and Huddersfield at present. HKR have employed a cracking coach (what were warrington thinking??)
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| Quote ="orangeman"If your pit village side can't be bothered to plan ahead and create an "event" when Catalan, Toulouse, London etc are in town, then that's on them.
Personally I hope Toulouse buy an NRL squad and challenge for the play offs next year....another deadwood club that's been holding back SL will drop down....between Wakey, Salford and Huddersfield at present. [uHKR have employed a cracking coach (what were warrington thinking??)'" [/u
Correct, Warry will do ok like they've always done,and that's it, they'll do ok without any honours.
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| Quote ="orangeman"If your pit village side can't be bothered to plan ahead and create an "event" when Catalan, Toulouse, London etc are in town, then that's on them.
Personally I hope Toulouse buy an NRL squad and challenge for the play offs next year....another deadwood club that's been holding back SL will drop down....between Wakey, Salford and Huddersfield at present. HKR have employed a cracking coach (what were warrington thinking??)'"
there you go again with the pit village remark, many lives was lost working down the mines producing coal at the time for the electric and heating within the country so then cowardly s like you can dis their heritage, background and living
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| Quote ="Cokey"[/u
Correct, Warry will do ok like they've always done,and that's it, they'll do ok without any honours.'"
Wire were spanked by London/Quins 60-8 about a week after Tony Smith was appointed Head Coach......they went on to win 3 of the next 4 Challenge Cups and made 4 Grand Finals.....I think he's one of the best coaches of his generation and I can only see HKR challenging for silver again next year
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| Quote ="snowie"there you go again with the pit village remark, many lives was lost working down the mines producing coal at the time for the electric and heating within the country so then cowardly s like you can dis their heritage, background and living
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I could also say Pit Villages inhabited by northern monkeys, but that would upset the monkeys
You carry on being woke buddy. If you think I mean disrespect to the miners who stood shoulder to shoulder with in the 80's, then so be it, but the reality is we now have 2 French sides, 6 from Yorkshire(s) 3 from Manchester an a Merseyside team......to us southern softies, you're all pit villages
Only time I've ever been in handcuffs was at Cresswell in 1984 and I'll tell my grandchildren I was proud to be there and arrested....not bad for cowardly tw@.....
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Worth remembering that without those "pit villages" there wouldn't be ANY Rugby League
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Oh FFS......
The reality is that a few nother Mill/Pit owners got the with a few wealthy bankers and the game split.....one continued the sham, the other was open and paid players....126 years later, which group won the debate?
We are southern poofters and you are northern monkeys....it's called banter
edit: I vividly remember Wakefield fan coming to Griffin Park dressed in WWII gear......i remember thinking that it was a great thing that away fans could make a day of it with no fear of violence...it's what makes RUGBY great.....
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| Quote ="orangeman"Oh FFS......
The reality is that a few nother Mill/Pit owners got the booty with a few wealthy bankers and the game split.....one continued the sham, the other was open and paid players....126 years later, which group won the debate?
We are southern poofters and you are northern monkeys....it's called banter
edit: I vividly remember Wakefield fan coming to Griffin Park dressed in WWII gear......i remember thinking that it was a great thing that away fans could make a day of it with no fear of violence...it's what makes RUGBY great.....'"
The point stands that, without the pit villages and the breakaway, there would not be a sport called rugby league.
And, yes, Trinity fans always made an occasion of the London away fixture, glad you enjoyed it.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The point stands that, without the pit villages and the breakaway, there would not be a sport called rugby league.
And, yes, Trinity fans always made an occasion of the London away fixture, glad you enjoyed it.'"
Without Newton Heath there would be no Manchester Utd. The world has moved on, sadly RL is struggling with that concept. Its the new Speedway.
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| Feel sorry for Fev, doing everything so well off and on the field, they deserve a spot in the SL, as they tick nearly every box, but that should be at the expense of Wakefield who untick most boxes, the game does not need 3 top flight teams in the Wakefield met, if franchising comes in Fev should be ahead if Wakey and even Cas slightly.
Great to have another French club in the top flight, long overdue, ideally get 2 more in championship next few years as a long term strategy to boost the game over there.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Great to have another French club in the top flight, long overdue, ideally get 2 more in championship next few years as a long term strategy to boost the game over there.'"
Money?
Catalan and Toulouse have wealthy backers, so before we rush to et the next French side in, they need to find the moneymen. As Donnyman will tell you, French RL isn't all about Catalan and Toulouse....the game at grass roos level is struggling....I would rather that Catalan continue to use their Elite 1 club to recruit good french talent.....same with toulouse, but I really would like to see them both lift trophies in the next coupe of years....it would be epic for the games profile down there
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| Quote ="orangeman" As Donnyman will tell you, French RL isn't all about Catalan and Toulouse....the game at grass roots level is struggling....'"
And message boards aren't all about trolling around with five identities Ismir Tabby Warrington etc........Your made up story about your grand final visit was a howler.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"
Wakefield untick most boxes, the game does not need 3 top flight teams in the Wakefield met, if franchising comes in ...............
Great to have another French club in the top flight, long overdue, ideally get 2 more in championship next few years as a long term strategy to boost the game over there.
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So if Franchising comes in for the Superleague next season when the new Lower SKY deal clicks in who do you think the member clubs of Superleague will pick to be in the same league with them??
I would certainly think Toulouse and les Catalans will be first picks if they have a well paying French TV deal and are turning out SL quality French players.
My favourite is Remy Casty who is a superstar and legend of the game - look forward to seeing him play here next season..........
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Feel sorry for Fev, doing everything so well off and on the field, they deserve a spot in the SL, as they tick nearly every box, but that should be at the expense of Wakefield who untick most boxes, the game does not need 3 top flight teams in the Wakefield met, if franchising comes in Fev should be ahead if Wakey and even Cas slightly.
Great to have another French club in the top flight, long overdue, ideally get 2 more in championship next few years as a long term strategy to boost the game over there.'"
I agree with all of this. Fev should be in at the expense of Wakefield for sure
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| Quote ="Donnyman"
My favourite is Remy Casty who is a superstar and legend of the game - look forward to seeing him play here next season..........'"
Already announced his retirement prior to Sunday's final and confirmed it post-match.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"So if Franchising comes in for the Superleague next season when the new Lower SKY deal clicks in who do you think the member clubs of Superleague will pick to be in the same league with them??
I would certainly think Toulouse and les Catalans will be first picks if they have a well paying French TV deal and are turning out SL quality French players.
My favourite is Remy Casty who is a superstar and legend of the game - look forward to seeing him play here next season..........'"
Sky sell advertising as well as subscriptions, advertisers pay more for vibrant cross continent exposure, they pay less for mushy peas and gambling, Sky and the top clubs want this!
you have being regurgitating this all Northern England SL fir the last few years snd its now further and further away, been a bad few days for you hasn’t it.
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