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| Awesome post pepe, you smelly git.
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| Quote ="Pepe"What is this ‘preferential treatment’ that the Championship fans are demanding?'" Maybe not preferential treatment as such, but I've seen on plenty of occasions some Championship fans that seem to think that the RFL should be funding their clubs for 'the good of the game', which as I tried to point out is ludicrous since in the grand scheme of things investment in the Championships would do less for the game than investing in Super League and the amateur game. Some fans seem to want disproportionate treatment just because they have some mixed up belief that their club represents the 'good of the game'. Not that I said '[isome[/i' fans, not all.
Regarding the rest of your post, you don't need to tell me what the Championship brings, I'm not stupid, I follow the leagues. I've probably been to more Championship games as a neutral than most on here, I will get to as many Scorpions games as possible this season and I watch on Sky when I can. In an ideal world, the Championship clubs would get a little more funding. However, for an 'investment in the game' I'd much rather that money be spent on developing the amateur game, which is what the RFL are doing.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Maybe not preferential treatment as such, but I've seen on plenty of occasions some Championship fans that seem to think that the RFL should be funding their clubs for 'the good of the game', which as I tried to point out is ludicrous since in the grand scheme of things investment in the Championships would do less for the game than investing in Super League and the amateur game. Some fans seem to want disproportionate treatment just because they have some mixed up belief that their club represents the 'good of the game'. Not that I said '[isome[/i' fans, not all.
Regarding the rest of your post, you don't need to tell me what the Championship brings, I'm not stupid, I follow the leagues. I've probably been to more Championship games as a neutral than most on here, I will get to as many Scorpions games as possible this season and I watch on Sky when I can. In an ideal world, the Championship clubs would get a little more funding. However, for an 'investment in the game' I'd much rather that money be spent on developing the amateur game, which is what the RFL are doing.'"
Maybe if the RFL just stopped p1551ng on us at every opportunity we would be a tad less upset about it
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| Edited for accuracy.
Quote ="headhunter"Super League fans that seem to think that the RFL should be funding their clubs for 'the good of the game'
Some Super League fans seem to want disproportionate treatment just because they have some mixed up belief that their club represents the 'good of the game'. Not that I said '[isome[/i' fans, not all.'"
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| Quote ="Pepe"Edited for accuracy. '" What does that have to do with my post? If you can't be bothered to reply properly, then I can only assume you don't have any relevant arguments to anything I've written.
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| Quote ="headhunter"What does that have to do with my post? If you can't be bothered to reply properly, then I can only assume you don't have any relevant arguments to anything I've written.'"
It's called irony and I’m not surprised that it went right over your head.
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| Quote ="Dreamer"I think we will agree to differ on this one. Most sports, RL included, are not in the rudest financial health. Cost savings are paramount and if SL clubs can subsidise players yet still have complete control they will. The players welfare comes second, and the well-being of the championship club does not even register.
Why was Hetherington so keen to convert championship sides into feeder clubs (swelled by SL youth/ fringe players/those returning from injury)? Was it in firm belief that it would improve the RL community or was it a means of subsidising his running costs? (whilst also trying to pry the supporters and sponsors off the championship side/s) I think the latter.
Incidentally, this isn't a dig against super league, just what I believe is reality, which is, that as a business SL don't give a monkeys about anyone else. Some clubs cannot think strategically and for the good of the game because they are so rooted in the problems of the "now".'"
Nonsense. GH wants the championship to be a feeder league because it will better prepare his youngsters for SL. The better his youngsters the better his team, the better his team the more fans, more money etc etc.
It also has the by-product of a better international set up which in turn will give the game more visibility more money etc etc
The Cost saving for part of a contract of a few part time youth players will be of negligible consideration
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| Quote ="Javier Mascherano"so leeds won't be signing any more players from whitehaven, doncaster featherstone or york then will they?? idiot'"
These clubs really dont contribute more players than the amateur game do they? only an idiot would suggest they would, like you have
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"icon_lol.gif
These clubs really dont contribute more players than the NRL do they? only an idiot would suggest they would, like you have'"
You're right, after a wee edit
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| Quote ="littlerich"You're right, after a wee edit
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Beautiful rich, just beautiful .
Quote ="SmokeyTA"These clubs really dont contribute more players than the amateur game do they? only an idiot would suggest they would, like you have'"
Same old STA or should it be STI
I can't see where JM has suggested so.
Picking a point up and trying to twist it to suit your feeble argument - again.
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| Didn't realise editing a post so that it has no relevance whatsoever and ignoring the points made constituted a good argument, or even humour.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Didn't realise editing a post so that it has no relevance whatsoever and ignoring the points made constituted a good argument, or even humour.'"
The relevance being that SL clubs are still raking the seabed of the NRL for their players. The NRL, or it's "retirees" are just as important to SL as the amateur game that Smokey trumpets so loudly. In the long term it is hoped that this will change and i think it will. It will be a damn slow process though.
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| Nice of you to explain your very own Da Vinci code but I much prefer your 'edit' though rich.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"icon_lol.gif
These clubs really dont contribute more players than the amateur game do they? only an idiot would suggest they would, like you have'"
answer the question smokey!!
will there be no more players from the championship clubs ala amor, coady, kirke and burrow be signed by leeds????
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"icon_lol.gif
These clubs really dont contribute more players than the =#FF0000amateur game do they? only an idiot would suggest they would, like you have'"
The amatuer game provides ALL players , since when do Leeds run under 6's ?
Another totally stupid statement
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| No doubt both Smokey and Headhunter think the new CC1 club in South Wales is a very bad idea, given that they're clearly going to be another unimportant club playing in an unimportant league and contributing little to the overall game ?
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| Quote ="Javier Mascherano"answer the question smokey!!
will there be no more players from the championship clubs ala amor, coady, kirke and burrow be signed by leeds????'" I never said no players came from the lower leagues, thats just nonsense that you have made up in your head. Simply that the amateur game is the most important factor in us bringing through the players the game lives on. In comparison the lower leagues are less than secondary to that
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| Quote ="Starbug"The amatuer game provides ALL players , since when do Leeds run under 6's ?
Another totally stupid statement'"
you've almost managed to grasp the point there starbug, but it still seems tantalisingly out of reach for you.
the amateur game does provide ALL players, hence its importance to the game of rugby league
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Nonsense. GH wants the championship to be a feeder league because it will better prepare his youngsters for SL. The better his youngsters the better his team, the better his team the more fans, more money etc etc.
It also has the by-product of a better international set up which in turn will give the game more visibility more money etc etc
The Cost saving for part of a contract of a few part time youth players will be of negligible consideration'"
Nonsense yourself
It was ALL ABOUT MONEY, getting someone else to help develop his players and pay for the privelage, hanging on to more contracts than the club could afford, keeping them away from the competition, and about getting his foot in the door with other clubs fans and sponsors.
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| Quote ="Derwent"No doubt both Smokey and Headhunter think the new CC1 club in South Wales is a very bad idea, given that they're clearly going to be another unimportant club playing in an unimportant league and contributing little to the overall game ?'" Do you have difficulty reading? If not then please actually read my posts.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"you've almost managed to grasp the point there starbug, but it still seems tantalisingly out of reach for you.
the amateur game does provide ALL players, hence its importance to the game of rugby league'"
Making it much more important than SL as well , but in truth , RL is such a weak sport to start with it cannot afford to lose any part of it , all of it is very important
The Championships and the clubs in it are vital to the development of the home nations , take away the Championship players from the Welsh/Scottish and Irish teams and you are left with basically amatuer teams with the odd aussie thrown in
Likewise with expansion , where would the Skolars,Gateshead and the new team in south wales actually play
There are not many sports that dont have a pyramid structure , and all parts of that pyramid are important
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| Quote ="Starbug"Making it much more important than SL as well , but in truth , RL is such a weak sport to start with it cannot afford to lose any part of it , all of it is very important
The Championships and the clubs in it are vital to the development of the home nations , take away the Championship players from the Welsh/Scottish and Irish teams and you are left with basically amatuer teams with the odd aussie thrown in
Likewise with expansion , where would the Skolars,Gateshead and the new team in south wales actually play
There are not many sports that dont have a pyramid structure , and all parts of that pyramid are important'"
no one said that all parts are important. Simply that they all arent of the same importance. The Amateur game provides almost all the players and SL provides almost all the money and visibility for the game. the lower leagues provide much much less of both
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"its not really arrogant is it.
The lower leagues provide none of the visibility, money or players that they sport needs to exist.
It is the least important part of the game, and whilst the game would suffer if any part of it were to disappear. We would suffer a huge amount more if we lost the money and visibility of Super League or the players and youth development and community involvement of the amateur game than if we were to lose the lower leagues'"
Myler came from a lower league club
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| Quote ="SNOT-HIM08"Myler came from a lower league club'"
Im pretty sure he originally played for an amateur club
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| Quote ="littlerich"You're right, after a wee edit
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you wont find me disagreeing Rich
The reliance super league has on overseas players is a dereliction of duty imo. The lengths some clubs will go to to avoid their responsibility to young RL players in this country is nothing short of pathetic and you wont find me coming close to defending them for that.
You know there is no-one more in favour of forcing SL clubs to put more time effort and money into the young players of this country than me
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