Then its a further indictment of the rovers attitude to young english players because he was very much ready for first team and you still didn't play him, like other young english lads who you wouldnt give a chance to, such as mariano who couldn't get a game at rovers but shone for wakey last year.

If he was ready he would have played, he was ready in 2010 and only missed one game that year.

Well done Leeds & Cas then.

Wigan and KR are a disgrace, but nothing new there.

Not the case at all, mariano was claerly ready for first team but you never played him.

He played 4 games then got injured. I don't blame him for taking the money at Wakefield when you've got to put a roof over your young families head.

Especially when he is at one of the worst team for given home grown talent a chance eh?

actually not true if you are talking about home grown talent produced by the club rather than englishmen bought in from all over the league. whilst everyone will agree we have too many foreigners in the squad they have not come at the expense of our own produced players we have more locals in our squad than a number of superleague clubs with 17 hull lads in the squad this year, welham, cox, taylor, latus are already becoming or have become regulars with sheriff and others following. Surely this is the way to go in the future and what the club trained rule is all about rather than buying a team from all over the place whether that be australia or other parts of britain.

just a thought, maybe we should have a thread on number of local players in squads, I would imagine teams like warrington and hull might struggle with this one.

in the same way as you are counting, i would be very surprised if every club wasnt easily beating that level, frankly it is poor. Cox and Latus and Sheriffe have barely played, they are nowhere near first team regulars.

A basic question needed a basic answer, so why has it plummited in to a discussion about whats right and wrong with clubs...etc.

McDonnell, Webster, Green, Dobson, O'Hara, Withers, Clinton, Galea, Paea, Mika, Lovegrove.

I'd argue we could have done without McDonnell by using Sheriff or Hall at full back, our pack maybe could have survived without Paea and Mika and we did pretty well without Clinton last year so I'm sure Wheeldon could have covered there.

So sure we possibly could have done without a few of those and I'd be disapointed if we don't replace Webster with Liam Salter or Chris Heil, McDonnell with Sheriff...etc. Taylor has shown he's got the ability and a future in the front row as with Cox with a few years of development still to go could be a great front row of the future. keil Carlisle also looks promising along with Josh Hodgson.

Sandercock was brought in with the directive of improving the players coming through our own system so with so many players off contract at the end of 2012 it may be a slightly different story next year.

As said though while we're not doing anything wrong why should we be bothered about the international game, being English is not even an issue anyway!

Are Saints and Hull FC also not a disgrace? Same number of overseas players as Wigan in 2012 (seven)

Maybe they are, Maybe they aren't. Someone should produce a table showing who has what in terms of locally born players as well as overseas players

I was a little suprised at how high our (Saints) figure was.
Meli & Flanders are exempt from quota because they signed before the legislation, and I don't think either of them will see 2013 with us. They will obviously have to be replaced by English players.

I was too to be honest. It's the same for us with Carmont, Richards and Leuluai. Think this will definitely be Carmont's last year (surely he'll actually retire this time!) and Leuluai and Finch are both out of contract at the end of the season too so I imagine our quota will come down. I hope we can persuade Leuluai to stay on but I think he fancies a crack at the NRL

He'd by mad not to, if the salary cap down there goes up, as people say.

As we've mentioned, the number of antipodean players has to go down as players like Meli or Carmont retire. Clubs who have persisted in getting as many jonny foriegners in as possible will REALLY suffer once they start to retire if they have no invested youth.

To be fair, Flanders may not even make our 1st 17 next year and if Meli left now we've youngsters like Makinson and Wheeler to fill in for him. Perry played 1/3 of a season last year and Sia played even less in 2010. Tony P is a star player, Perry and Soliola have an awful lot of ability and Laffranchi and Hohaia are big names at least. We've more than I'd like, but I think we're pretty responsible with it.

We could effectively field a back line of Wellens, Foster, Makinson, Wheeler, Gardner, Gaskell & Lomax next year, which would go pretty well and all of whom were products of our academy system (gardner only kind of).
Other clubs have similar boasts - Wigan, Cas, Leeds and all, even the much mocked HKR, have some youngsters coming through.

The quota system will continue to tighten and we'll see more of the 238 odd weekly shirts being filled with brits, rather than journey man Aussies - Even in East Hull.

Similar to Wigan, I don't think many people could argue (now) that Carmont, Richards, Leuluai, Lima + Finch are some of the best quota players, but then again we've got someone like Roberts who I doubt will play many games but was already on a long term contract, and a plodder like Lauaki who will be key to Wigans season (if he plays a lot, we'll be crap, if he doesn't get many games, we'll do well).

Trinity are currently running at 7: John, Tony, Smith, Collis, Mellars, Lauitiiti and Southern. I believe they are still looking to stretch the rules further to bring in another.

Has the young french kid been let go?

How many did you have last season?

Nope, my bad.

Varied between 7 and 10 throughout the season.

add three more to Wigans list as we have signed 3 Welsh lads



Think we are up to 10 now!!!!

OK, so next season saints have:
2012 - Sia Soliola, Francis Meli, Josh Perry, Tony Puletua, Chris Flannery, Lance Hohaia, Anthony Laffrinchi - 7

In 2009 Saints had
Gidley, Flannery, Meli, Tony P, Jason Cayless, Maurie Faasavalu (who may be counted has home grown) - 6

So we've gone up one. That's dissapointing.

Can we do this for everyone's club?

What about Nathan Ashe? Wasnt be born in NZ and only moved over here a couple of years ago? Surely that would make him an overseas player?

About as much as Harrison Hansen

and we always get told particularly by Saints and Wire fans that he counts on the overseas list. So I think we will add Ashe to the Saints overseas list



Hey were adding Welsh players to that list according to Saddo, so your adding a bloody Kiwi