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| When it comes to RL Stephen Jones knows about enough to fill the back of a postage stamp folded in half, he's not even particularly highly rated by many RU fans, and he is actually supposed to know about that. He takes a couple of cheap shots that might amuse some of his core readership, fair enough, it's not as if he's actually going spend the time understanding the challenges RL faces in any depth, it's not his job, besides he's just filling some column inches and anybody whose seen some of the RU premiership games this season will know it's probably better than writing about that.
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| Quote ="dick scratcher"Having read through the good points made in this thread I wonder what people think the crowd would be if the RFL announced a Great Britain V Australia 3 match test series next autumn wiith the 1st match at, say the millenium stadium, 2nd at Elland Road and 3rd at Man City.
I reckon the crowds would be massive as the hunger to get a Great Britain side back playing in an ashes series is huge.'"
Too true, my payment would be winging its way for all three the day they were announced. Cannot get the same motivation for England v Wales I'm afraid.
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| GB are effectively England though...why kid yourself otherwise? When we have a few Welsh (ie not parental) or Irish or Scottish wanting to play, it might be an issue but apart from Brian Carney, every GB player has been English for ages, so what's the issue in the name?
FFS, they could be called GB this year and still have the same players!
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| I think its more down to playing for the ashes than which players are playing
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| Quote ="dick scratcher"I think its more down to playing for the ashes than which players are playing'"
Well they never played for that every year, so what about the intervening years? FWIW I think they should stick with the 4 year cycle for the Ashes but they played many of these series as [iEngland[/i in the past too...so what's the big deal really?
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| Quote ="Johnoco"Well they never played for that every year, so what about the intervening years? FWIW I think they should stick with the 4 year cycle for the Ashes but they played many of these series as [iEngland[/i in the past too...so what's the big deal really?'"
AFAIK the Ashes have never been contested by England.
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| Quote ="Kelvin's Ferret"AFAIK the Ashes have never been contested by England.'"
GB was only invented in 1954 wasn't it? Were England v Australia series before that not for the Ashes?
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Quote ="tb"GB was only invented in 1954 wasn't it? Were England v Australia series before that not for the Ashes?'"
They've had a variety of names, Lions, Northern Union etc, but England wasn't one of them.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashes_(rugby_league)
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They've had a variety of names, Lions, Northern Union etc, but England wasn't one of them.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashes_(rugby_league)
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Quote ="your link"In 1928, the City Tattersalls Club in Sydney, Australia donated a trophy to be the prize, the "Ashes Cup".[1 The Cup's inscription reads:[1
INTERNATIONAL
RUGBY LEAGUE FOOTBALL
Australia v England
(THE ASHES)
Presented by
CITY TATTERSALLS CLUB'"
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Quote ="your link"In 1928, the City Tattersalls Club in Sydney, Australia donated a trophy to be the prize, the "Ashes Cup".[1 The Cup's inscription reads:[1
INTERNATIONAL
RUGBY LEAGUE FOOTBALL
Australia v England
(THE ASHES)
Presented by
CITY TATTERSALLS CLUB'"
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| Quote ="Gijou"He'll be fertilising the grass while the great game marches on.
114 years this year...
How old is the moron Jones?
Bigger and more money? Bull. More exposure and more misinformation is closer to the point.
How many 90,000+ crowds has union had in London?
Rugby league has had many...
See - we can marginalise as well.'"
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Quote ="tb"icon_wink.gif'"
Oh … and this
www.castigers.com/images/gold/ar ... kinson.jpg
certainly looks like an England shirt (from 1929-30, an Ashes series) even if Wiki lists the home team as The Lions (GB) (even though as we know, the GB team didn't come into play until 54). But that's Wiki for you.
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Oh … and this
www.castigers.com/images/gold/ar ... kinson.jpg
certainly looks like an England shirt (from 1929-30, an Ashes series) even if Wiki lists the home team as The Lions (GB) (even though as we know, the GB team didn't come into play until 54). But that's Wiki for you.
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| Quote ="tb"GB was only invented in 1954 wasn't it? Were England v Australia series before that not for the Ashes?'"
1948 actually, according to [urlhttp://www2.hunterlink.net.au/~maajjs/tests.htm[/url.
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| Quote ="Johnoco"FFS, they could be called GB this year and still have the same players!'"
That would be incredibly dumb, and insulting to any Welsh, Scottish and Irish players who've previously played for GB. England and Great Britain are different entities, and so are the teams. There should never be a GB team that only had English players in it.
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| Quote ="Big Picture"That would be incredibly dumb, and insulting to any Welsh, Scottish and Irish players who've previously played for GB. England and Great Britain are different entities, and so are the teams. There should never be a GB team that only had English players in it.'"
Even if England players happen to be the best in each position? I believe it's termed 'positive discrimination'. Would you play an inferior loose forward for example to allow for the inclusion of a Welsh player?
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Even if England players happen to be the best in each position? I believe it's termed 'positive discrimination'. Would you play an inferior loose forward for example to allow for the inclusion of a Welsh player?'"
Not enough darkies in this England side either. Look back at competitive GB sides over the last 20-30 years, they had the likes of Hanley, Offiah, Carl Gibson, Roy Powell in them.
Soon as Tony Smith imports the White Australia policy the whole team goes to hell in a handcart. If it wasn't for Token Eastmond we'd be stuffed.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Not enough darkies in this England side either. Look back at competitive GB sides over the last 20-30 years, they had the likes of Hanley, Offiah, Carl Gibson, Roy Powell in them.
Soon as Tony Smith imports the White Australia policy the whole team goes to hell in a handcart. If it wasn't for Token Eastmond we'd be stuffed.'"
Is that you Dick Best?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"He doesn't refer to the game at The Stoop at all, just that using two small-scale grounds to launch a supposedly major international sporting tournament is a bit disappointing.
Bit like opening the 2018 football World Cup (if England win the right to host it) at Oakwell and The Valley.'"
Exactly how I read it, which to be fair he has a point. He didn't mention anything about the games, just the locations.
Considering tomorrow's game against Australia will most likely be higher than both games put together last weekend, you can't really argue it too much. Should maybe have been a DH in a 30k stadium.
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| It's not Stephen Jones fault that our sport lacks ambition.
Double headers at Wembley, Stade Velodrome and the Millennium are the only way forward, however it would likely bankrupt us.
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| Quote ="rlspa"It's not Stephen Jones fault that our sport lacks ambition.
Double headers at Wembley, Stade Velodrome and the Millennium are the only way forward,'"
And how would that affect the sport?
Quote ="rlspa"however it would likely bankrupt us.'"
Ah..
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| Quote ="Saddened!"You what?
I am a very respected member of the RLFANS community. Over on the Saints board there have been three threads this year set up to post their appreciation for me. I'm also very popular on the Leeds forum, but they banned me from the Wigan board some years ago. Politics on the scale of Israel/Palestine over that issue.
Union, as much as it annoys me, is the bigger sport. It's international arena does have that sheen of competitiveness that league's lacks. It's hard to deny it.'" biggest in terms of what?the most boring sport on the planet?yeah that sounds more like it....
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| Quote ="Big Picture"That would be incredibly dumb, and insulting to any Welsh, Scottish and Irish players who've previously played for GB. England and Great Britain are different entities, and so are the teams. There should never be a GB team that only had English players in it.'"
Get real mate, apart from Brian Carney there have been no non English players. (Cunningham, Harris etc are really English with Welsh heritage, not really Welsh)...so why not admit it?
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| Quote ="rlspa"It's not Stephen Jones fault that our sport lacks ambition.
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WTF is it to do with him though? That's the point!!!
I don't see any Athletics writers commenting about it, so what has it to do with wiggy?
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| Jones's views make excellent lining for my bird's cage...
I print them out especially for that purpose.
Generally, I barely get them in the cage in time before the wise bird views the dribble written below him and treats it with the respect it truly deserves...
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