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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"really? is the quality of SL better now than in 98?'"
Nobody knows that you thick get , even you
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"really? is the quality of SL better now than in 98?'"
Yes. The product is improving - more people are watching it each year.
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| Quote ="SBR"Yes. The product is improving - more people are watching it each year.'"
Just because more people watch something does not mean it is better
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| Quote ="SBR"Aye, and a crucial part of that is improving their product. Which is SL rugby. Which is improved by the salary cap.'"
Is it? Evidence?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Just because more people watch something does not mean it is better'"
It is a good indicator that it is a better product - one that more people want to watch.
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| Quote ="SBR"It is a good indicator that it is a better product - one that more people want to watch.'"
I take it you're a Sun reading Boyzone fan.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"erm, except the club who couldnt spend up to the cap offered him MORE money, so the salary cap had no influence on his decision, it didnt do what you said it would'"
I know the cap didn't do what I said it would do: As not all clubs in SL can afford to spend up to the cap the SL salary cap is, currently, less effective than it could be.
In a more competitive league players would not need to move clubs to find success.
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| Quote ="Lenny The Loiner2"I take it you're a Sun reading Boyzone fan.'"
The Sun is one of the best tabloid newspapers. Boyzone is one of the best boy bands. As evidenced by their popularity. What's your point?
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| The way to bring a competitive league is not to encourage the crap clubs to do better not penalise the good clubs for being successful.
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| Quote ="SBR"The Sun is one of the best tabloid newspapers. Boyzone is one of the best boy bands. As evidenced by their popularity. What's your point?'"
Popularity does not naturally equate to quality. Only an idiot would think so.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"erm, except the club who couldnt spend up to the cap offered him MORE money, so the salary cap had no influence on his decision, it didnt do what you said it would'"
So, along with players that move to a club to win things, you want to hand teams like Leeds and Saints an even greater advantage by allowing them to outbid other clubs too! Hmmm....
So we end up with one or two superclubs and what else?
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| Quote ="Lenny The Loiner2"Popularity does not naturally equate to quality. Only an idiot would think so.'"
That explains Smokey then
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"So, along with players that move to a club to win things, you want to hand teams like Leeds and Saints an even greater advantage by allowing them to outbid other clubs too! Hmmm....
So we end up with one or two superclubs and what else?'"
another 12 super clubs,
its called evolution, we weed out what fails and build on what succeeds,
we dont hold back what succeeds for the benefit of what fails
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| Quote ="Starbug"That explains Smokey then'"
except im not arguing that
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| Quote ="Lenny The Loiner2"The way to bring a competitive league is not to encourage the crap clubs to do better not penalise the good clubs for being successful.'"
On the contrary, I think we should encourage the worse clubs to do better. By putting rules in place to provide a level playing field in which clubs can reap rewards for improving.
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| Quote ="SBR"On the contrary, I think we should encourage the worse clubs to do better. By putting rules in place to provide a level playing field in which clubs can reap rewards for improving.'"
so we reward failure and punish success then,
good plan, thats definately how we improve
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"another 12 super clubs,
its called evolution, we weed out what fails and build on what succeeds,
we dont hold back what succeeds for the benefit of what fails'"
No, what you would have is the strongest clubs at the point you introduce your new rules, always being the strongest clubs.
This is not evolution, it is stagnation.
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"So, along with players that move to a club to win things, you want to hand teams like Leeds and Saints an even greater advantage by allowing them to outbid other clubs too! Hmmm....
So we end up with one or two superclubs and what else?'"
Why don't the other clubs develop more competitive business models? Yes, Leeds can draw on a larger market being the RL club based in the largest city. (I will take London out of the equation as they are an expansion team away from the heartlands). St Helens is not a big town yet has a dominant RL team. Surely there is nothing to stop clubs in similar sized towns, which most teams in SL are, developing as successful teams.
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"No, what you would have is the strongest clubs at the point you introduce your new rules, always being the strongest clubs.
This is not evolution, it is stagnation.'"
youre wrong
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| Quote ="SBR"On the contrary, I think we should encourage the worse clubs to do better. By putting rules in place to provide a level playing field in which clubs can reap rewards for improving.'"
Retaining the % element of the cap would reward improving as it would allow them to spend more on players as their turnover grew.
But if you want to shackle clubs from improving then let it be.
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| Quote ="Lenny The Loiner2"Why don't the other clubs develop more competitive business models? Yes, Leeds can draw on a larger market being the RL club based in the largest city. (I will take London out of the equation as they are an expansion team away from the heartlands). St Helens is not a big town yet has a dominant RL team. Surely there is nothing to stop clubs in similar sized towns, which most teams in SL are, developing as successful teams.'"
Yes, I'm sure the Directors of all the other SL clubs will go out tomorrow morning and do just that.
Right, that's that sorted then. Next!
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"youre wrong'"
I disagree.
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"Yes, I'm sure the Directors of all the other SL clubs will go out tomorrow morning and do just that.
Right, that's that sorted then. Next!'"
Who said it would happen overnight? But surely you aren't saying they should be shackled from doing so.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"so we reward failure and punish success then,'"
How is failure rewarded by a level playing field?
How is success punished by a level playing field?
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| Quote ="Lenny The Loiner2"Who said it would happen overnight? But surely you aren't saying they should be shackled from doing so.'"
Correct, why would you think I'm suggesting any business should be shackled from developing "more competitive business models"?
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