So what your saying is sod_em, it wont effect me, typical, when your team when bang and couldn't raise the brass to pay its debts why didn't they approach this company for a lone to pay the debts off, im pretty sure they would have given you a good rate of interest.

Didn't you read the last page? You're recycling a flawed argument that's already been put to me - and answered.

What I mean by prey is exactly as the dictionary definition is(To victimise or make a profit at someone else's expense). The company, and others like it, prey on the most vulnerable of society. The fact that people [ichoose[/i to take out loans with them doesn't excuse what they do.

I don't know how many times I can say what I'm saying before it's understood. Am I not being clear in what I'm saying? I thought I was being clear. Do I need to write out my posts in coloured crayons for them to be understood?

Hallelujah at last, the quaint village yorkshire morality that has held rl back for 130yrs has now gone,surely this will now allow more companies to now look to sponsor/invest in RL.

Great news for Bradford and the game in general and I really cant believe people are criticising it. £300,000 a year is not to be sniffed at by any RL club, particularly Bradford after their recent troubles and as far as I recall they struggled to get a sponsor at all the last time they were looking for one. It is certainly at the higher levels for sponsorship in RL and really will help Bradford to become more of a force again.

is this another ''lets all rejoice in the Bulls good news' threads and if you dont you are a disgrace and not a true RL fan kind of thing ?

Brilliant news for Bradford, i'm so glad that after all the terrible things their club and wonderful fans have gone through this is another step in the right direction for this great club as it takes another step back to its rightful place as RL's flagship club....all hail the Bulls !!!!!!!!!!

I saw an add for this type of company and in not so small letters it states the interest, and to be honest only a complete moron would use these companies, and then to complain when they charge you an absolute fortune proves that you cant fix stupid!

To be brutally honest for 99.99% of the population in this country, your situation good or bad is of your own making!

These companies dont make people take out a loan and pay stupid amounts, its not difficult to curb your spending, we have all been in some level of debt in our lives, its quite simple cut out the stuff you dont need, (fags, beer, magazines, sky, gym), christ you can have cornflakes for your tea for a week its not that bad! Spend what you earn, it really isnt difficult to do.

A club that has been to the brink has managed to negotiate a cracking deal and people complain!

Only in RL!

You do realise there are things bigger and more important than RL dont you.

Or do you think poverty and exploitation etc are just side issues that get in the way of us enjoying our favourite sport.

Yeah loads of things more important to me that RL, to be honest its not even in my top ten, however considering if I owned a company who bradford where looking for me to sponser, knowing there recent history I may have offered them a few stickers on the side of my vans!!

And regards your second point, is a lending company who I must approach to use their services really exploiting me for doing so, I like a lot of people have, or have had a loan (uni fees), mortgage and car repayment, and I dont recall ever having a gun held to my head to take these out, I had a look at the repayments and my wage and judged if I could afford them, and in order to do so I had to cut back on a few things I didnt really need,.

I did however have the sence to avoid payday loan companies as what kind of fool would pay that level of interest for what in effect is only a few hundred pounds.

Naive? Maybe, but I can only go on my own experience.

I don't live in the 3rd world, I don't live in a country without the minimum wage and all the other things you mention.

I drink, but not often and not to excess. I have a bet, but as a form of entertainment and not money I can't afford to lose in the same way that I don't buy things I can't afford. I used to, but that got me into the situation when I needed payday loans.

Are they scum? They haven't been with me, and that's all I can go on.

I assume you can link to your posts criticising Huddersfield for their partnership with Grosvenor Casinos and for continuing to play at a stadium sponsored by a beer company?

Don't the RFL own Odsal? Shouldn't the naming rights money be going to them?

And who's it edited by? Are things being shown out of sequence or out of context? Are important facts being left out because they don't fit in with the story the producer of the film is wanting to put out?

There's also the fact that the BBC Director General has been given the boot over one lot of bad reporting and there are others within the BBC who's heads are likely next on the block, which kind of makes BBC's news a tad suspect on the honesty of their reports.

Given the situation at the BBC right now, it's never been more certain that this investigative documentary WILL have followed the guidelines impeccably.

Of course, it must be very hard to see through those red, amber and black glasses.

Only if you are idiotic enough to think that a casino or a beer company is the same as canvassing on a council estate and persuading the poor , vulnerable and desperate to take out loans at massive rates of interest is the same.

But anyone who thinks they are so important they do not need to use a name and just refer to themselves as HIM probably is that idiotic.

Bit hypocritical, gambling and alcohol cause far greater social problems than a legal loan comapny. Then again I believe adults have the right to self determination and whilst you can try to legislate for stupidity, generally it fails and comes back to personal responsibility.

Nope Bradford council own odsal. The naming rights are covered by our lease with the RFL.

Yeah because gambling and alcoholism are never targetted at or affect the poor, vulnerable and desperate.
As JB says, alcoholism and gambling are huge social issues in this country. But as long as your club prospers off the back of these people then everything is ok is it?
Why is it wrong for Bradford to benefit from a loan company yet it's perfectly fine for Huddersfield to benefit from a casino and play at a stadium that receives money from John Smiths? Companies that contribute to alcoholism and gambling addictions.





Are you saying that your real name is actually Durham Giant? If so either you were very unlucky or your parents were very uninspired in their choice of names for their baby.
For a start, it's not HIM, it's Him and its a Cannonball Run reference, but only a complete idiot wouldn't understand that.

Ahhh, the inimitable Dom DeLuise as [i"Captain Chaos"[/i

It's worth watching the film for the outakes alone.

There was a time when sponsors of RL were attracted to the sport as a marketing tool in order to target C1/C2 and D demographics.

May I take this opportunity to congratulate Super League on relegating the sport to a level of sponsorship where the target demographic is 'E'.

Completely missed the point of my post there. Lovely stuff.

I don't take a single penny off the state, not that its any of your business. And yes, there are thousands of scroungers who falsely claim disability benefits when there is nothing wrong with them. I'm not sure what relevance that has to anything though.

these bleeds?

The "preying on people who are desperate" argument is one that I don't really buy on this one. If you are genuinely "desperate", then you'll look for the money you need from any source necessary - legal or otherwise.

On that basis, is it preferable for people who are hell bent on borrowing what they need to borrow from 'Dodgy Den's Kneecappers' or from an FSA regulated and licensed lender?

In an ideal world, there would be no need for these types of 'sub prime' lenders but that is an issue that goes far beyond Rugby League and Bradford Bulls - It's an issue that starts with financial education, industry regulation and a change in consumer culture towards debt. Changing the name of Odsal doesn't change any of that.

And looking at some of Provident's APRs, they don't seem that much worse than various leading banks who charge fees in the region of £40 for a £10 unauthorised overdraft. Would this debate be raging if Bradford had attracted Barclay's, Standard Chartered or RBS?

I actually don't think it's that big a deal.....it's 20% of the size that Sarries got for exactly the same offering, shirts and stadium.

Puzzles me when RL clubs and the comp itself struggle to find sponsors...the product itself is family friendly and reasonably priced, gets very good TV ratings and next year will be in the limelight with the RLWC.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Doorstep/ this is the BBC documentary about Bradfords new sponsor.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Doorstep/ this is the BBC documentary about Bradfords new sponsor.

It's amazes me what some so called RL fans will accept and defend if it suits there agenda. These people are crooks and anyone who can't see that is in utter denial.

As for Bradford taking the money, why not - at least it's better than pinching it off their own fans.