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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Is this confirmed? On the photographs of today's captain's run, Gale and Widdop are both there.
If Brown does play, three different half back combinations in three games doesn't give anyone the chance to build the understanding half backs need to combine effectively.
I think Bennett needs to decide the best half back combination (whoever it may be) and play them consistently unless we suffer injuries.
However, I'm pleased for Brown who I have always liked watching as a player.
Overall, I'm not sold on Bennett and his boring style of rugby.'"
I think Bennett has run into an issue that he's probably not had to deal with to such an extent in his career so far - the lack of quality halves. I don't think it's such a big surprise that Kevin Brown is in there. In one of his interviews before the New Zealand game he was asked about picking Gale ahead of Williams and he said that halfback is a specialist position, clearly suggesting he saw Williams as a stand off only. Quite a few Super League clubs now play split halves, so the role might not be as specialised as Bennett is used to, but that's obviously how he's going about it. It seems likely that Widdop and Williams were his stand off options and Gale and Brown his scrum halves. Given that Gale has been a massive disappointment it's not a surprise that Brown is in the squad.
If he wants to bring in Brown at scrum half it would be a pretty big risk to then pair him with Williams, given both of them lack a decent long kicking game. I don't think he'd leave Widdop out for such an important game; he obviously sees him as the best of the four. I'd imagine Widdop and Brown will be the halves.
It's easy to say Bennett should pick his best halfback combination, but our halves have so many flaws and varying strengths that I don't think you can blame him for not knowing. Widdop is the player he knows the most about and he's probably his number 1 choice. I'd say Williams is the 2nd best but he's clearly not keen on pairing them because he sees them both as 6's (whereas McNamara was obviously more willing to use split halves with less of a clearly defined role as he picked Williams at 7 for 2 games). Few seemed to argue with Gale being picked, yet there were also plenty saying Brown's impressive cameo against France should get him in the side. I honestly think it's a very difficult choice to pick out our halves.
However, in my opinion it would be beneficial to get Williams playing at this level right now and gaining valuable experience. He's the best halfback prospect we've had in years but I don't see how he can improve at this level without playing it.
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| Anyone in SE without a ticket - get along tomorrow you can pay at the gate.
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| Teams in and he's gone with Brown and Widdop at HB. Williams on the bench and no Gale or Clark.
Quite left field to introduce Brown at this stage.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Teams in and he's gone with Brown and Widdop at HB. Williams on the bench and no Gale or Clark.
Quite left field to introduce Brown at this stage.'"
That's 3 different halfback combinations in 3 games, needs to be some continuity, to drop the best player last week to the bench and replace with a player who has hardly played (only in the French friendly?) seems bizarre.
I hope I'm wrong, but not greatly confident with Brown and Widdop.
No problem with the Clarke decision ad Hodgy can play the 80, although looks like Williams might do a spell there.
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| I'd say it's pretty clear that Bennett is using this 4 Nations tournament to build an idea of which direction he'll go with the halves for the World Cup.
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| The funny thing is that it's also Australia 3rd different HB combination of the tournament. Difference is they make their's work each other.
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| Bennet seems to have gone for the Aussie style selection, if you have not performed well enough your out simple as. No point brown being in the squad if he won't drop players who have not produced the goods. Gale for all the cas fans proclaiming him the best half back in the country has been poor, Williams has been ok but obviously not done enough, however Lomax has been and is poop and still gets picked.
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| i just hope by the time the World Cup comes around there are more options at halfback. I dread to think what will happen if we're still resorting to picking the likes of Pinhead.
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| Nothing wrong with that from Watkins. Wasn't late and hit the hip of Cronk not the "standing leg" like Hicks said.
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| Brown playing well so far, rubbish kicking game though from both half backs.
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| Aussies as usual give it but can't take it. No way was that a penalty from Watkins. Time we went for an early 90's response and got stuck into em. Not condoning violence, but I am
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| We need a bit of c*nt in us.... if Cronk wants to get up pushing, I've no issues if Watkins gets 10 for giving him a dig.... don' be in awe of them.
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| Quote ="Superted"We need a bit of c*nt in us.... if Cronk wants to get up pushing, I've no issues if Watkins gets 10 for giving him a dig.... don' be in awe of them.'"
Just get Bateman a bit angry, he's the only one on the pitch who would do anything.
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| Listening to the game on five live you can hear the crowd and there seems to be a great atmosphere in the stadium but on arriving home I have put BBC one on and the crowd noise is virtually zero making it Seem as though there is no atmosphere
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| This is one of the worst kicking games I have ever seen, never mind at international level
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Listening to the game on five live you can hear the crowd and there seems to be a great atmosphere in the stadium but on arriving home I have put BBC one on and the crowd noise is virtually zero making it Seem as though there is no atmosphere'"
It doesn't help that Jonathan Davies is commentating.
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| Agree with all the above. I want to see us get stuck into them.
I wouldn't complain if somebody was to get binned for throwing a few. Obviously at a time when it is deemed worthy, I don't mean I just want somebody to start punching randomly.
But win or lose, we need to let the Aussies know they've had a game, and to leave them not looking forward to the next time we play. If that means been grubby and over-aggressive then I'd like to see it.
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| Get Hicks in an England shirt.
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| I'm amazed at how flat Australia are standing when camped on our line.
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| Great ball by Lomax.
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| There was a mile forward pass by Graham in the build up though.
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| What is Robert Hicks on here!
He's pulled a knock on and two penalties out of his arše to give Australia that scoring opportunity
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| How has Hicks got another game after his appalling game between England and New Zealand?
He's now penalising England for loads of tiny infringements after letting Australia get away with loads of lying on and high tackles in the first five minutes.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"There was a mile forward pass by Graham in the build up though.'"
Hopefully we'll get away with a few more after what Australia have got away with against us over the years.
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| What's going on with these penalties not finding touch? It's schoolboy stuff. SLOW DOWN FFS!
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