Who is it going to deter? Omar Kahn isnt going to be deterred he doesnt own the club anymore, the new owners might be deterred from even getting involved but that seems the opposite of what the game is trying to acheive.

Pretty clear that debate with those who refuse to listen is futile. You only have to look to responses like "in denial", with no attempt to counter the arguments, to see that. They just keep trotting out the same lines no matter how many times you show them to be wrong. One of two reasons for that.

Maybe they just won't listen to an opposing case anyway - maybe some of them would happily argue that the earth was flat or the moon is made of green cheese, in the face of all the evidence, if they actually believed it to be so?

Or, they KNOW there is some justice in the opposing argument, but it does not suit their purpose to have too many other folk see that. So, if you just keep shouting down the facts long enough, those who try to set the record straight get fed up and go away.

Agreed.

Agreed.

I actually spat my tea out when I read that, couldn't read the rest because of the tears in my eyes!

Glad it amused you.

Now, how about actually putting up coherent arguments against what the likes of me have said? Ones based on the evidence and the facts?

Its funny because even via the internet i could tell you had some kind of problem that meant you needed help with simple tasks like eating and drinking.

You have, without a doubt, just described yourself.

Your arrogance knows no bounds.

I've done so in the past but I had to get off the merry-go-round because I was getting nauseous from going around in circles.

You won't listen to anyone else's opinion, you refuse to accept the Bulls have done anything wrong, you maintain that Bradford are a special case, you think any form of punishment is unwarranted, the RFL haven't actualy helped you but have treated you harshly, you've towed the party line for successive Bulls owners and you continue to whistle their tune in the face of stark reality.

Hence my 'denial' comment

Good luck Adeybull and all the other loyal Bulls fans, I hope you find some peace

Put your straw man away. I have not said ONE of those things you attribute to me. Not one.

And anyway, how could I have "towed (sic) the party line" for Khan, when I never made any public comment from last Easter till well after he had stood down?

You can always tell when the argument is lost. Up go the straw men, and too many also go [iad hominem[/i.

A few words from someone a bit closer to the front line than we are.

Cummings is hardly an objective commentator on the subject and while I agree that how the RFL has behaved needs looking at its because of how they've favoured the Bulls and attempted to pull a fast one.

Let's not forget that this is a tragedy completely of the Bulls own making!

yeah, thats definitely the most sensible way of conducting an investigation. We start by deciding that the bulls were favoured, then conclude the RFL attempted to pull a fast one, then we agree the blame is completely on the Bulls. Then if we have time we can gather any evidence, and if we want to be really thorough we can look at the evidence. But we need start with our conclusions and move from there. Thats how you avoid bias and get to the real truth

Indeed.

Especially as Cummins made specific reference to "...how the clubs dealt with it...", which I take as referring to the financial penalty insisted upon by certain of the other clubs.

And you are?

He may not be but, you certainly aren't

I am

Nor have I pretended to be. And who could blame me, in the face of such a torrent of partisan vitriol?

But I HAVE attempted to put up objective arguments, backed by facts to the extent they are available.

It was a comment on a message board not a fully fledged investigation

Do you think that Bradford are to blame for their own downfall?
Do you think the club should somehow be penalised for this latest Administration and if so what do you think would be a fair punishment.

really, good work on pointing that out. Because nobody thought that i was suggesting your comment was a fully fledged investigation. THat would be crazy.

Then your last but one post makes zero sense, oh, hang on a minute

It makes perfect sense. If you can't understand it isnt my fault.

If you can't understand the obvious circularity of having someone look at how the [iRFL has behaved because of how they've favoured the Bulls and attempted to pull a fast one.[/i then no-one can help you.

Aahh, that old chestnut

Yep, no-one will notice now. Great work.