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| Quote ="Mick W."I hope there's going to be a bit of terrace for those who don't want to have to sit down all game?'"
Yes there will be standing areas, it will be like a smaller scale of the Halliwell Jones Stadium, but I think the club are deciding to have the two length ways stands seating and width standing.
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| Quote ="VforViking"clubs and councils aways use the amatuer club playing there line to get the planning permission and stadium built. but once the stadium is built they price the amatuer clubs out of playing there.'" Any examples? (Genuine question)
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| i think leigh miners where meant to play at the lsv but could not afford it.
another example is the widnes cup final(amatuer) is usually played at the stobarts but it was decided they would play it somewhere else because of the high rent at the stobarts. a lot of new stadiums claim to be community stadiums but then charge the community a ransom to use them.
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| Quote ="VforViking"i think leigh miners where meant to play at the lsv but could not afford it.
another example is the widnes cup final(amatuer) is usually played at the stobarts but it was decided they would play it somewhere else because of the high rent at the stobarts. a lot of new stadiums claim to be community stadiums but then charge the community a ransom to use them.'"
I thought that Wigan council owned the LSV?
The best example is the Halliwell Jones, as it is to my understanding that it is used 7 days a week.
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| Quote ="VforViking"i think leigh miners where meant to play at the lsv but could not afford it.
another example is the widnes cup final(amatuer) is usually played at the stobarts but it was decided they would play it somewhere else because of the high rent at the stobarts. a lot of new stadiums claim to be community stadiums but then charge the community a ransom to use them.'"
Leigh Miners were never involved in the LSV - Leigh East have got a new clubhouse, 3G pitches and grass pitches as part of the LSV complex. Although it hasn't been without it's problems (rent and not being given the number of pitches they were promised), it has provided them with facilities that could only be dreamed of at Grasmere Street.
As for Swinton, would be great for them to get a proper ground in their own area again rather than continue to stagnate at Sedgeley Park. Might finally see the return of some atmosphere at the games.
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| Quote ="Dave T"Any examples? (Genuine question)'"
Leigh Genesis FC?
IIRC, they weren't best pleased with the amount of stewarding that the council seemed to be insisting on.
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| I'm sure we did the land survey for this a month or 2 ago. Hope it all goes through for you.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Leigh Genesis FC?
IIRC, they weren't best pleased with the amount of stewarding that the council seemed to be insisting on.'"
That was a case of a council run stadium being run to the exact requirements of the Green Guide, and the shock of the costs involved in that when compared to the rates at Hilton Park, where stewards worked for free or a nomial fee, something that the Stadium Management Company weren't willing to do (they wanted to be the employers of all the stewards and as such had to pay a 'proper' wage etc).
All sorted now though, touch wood.
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| it will be much heralded if Swinton finally get a ground of their own, Station Rd is much missed.
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| Quote ="Sadfish"it will be much heralded if Swinton finally get a ground of their own, Station Rd is much missed.'"
Might be a tad controversial, but I think even Gigg Lane is missed. Not got the facts to back it up (can't find many archive attendances online) but I'm got a hunch that they got better crowds at Bury than they do these days.
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| If this comes off then the "excuses" of other clubs in getting new grounds becomes interesting!
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| Quote ="VforViking"i think leigh miners where meant to play at the lsv but could not afford it.
another example is the widnes cup final(amatuer) is usually played at the stobarts but it was decided they would play it somewhere else because of the high rent at the stobarts. a lot of new stadiums claim to be community stadiums but then charge the community a ransom to use them.'"
Happens at the KC. Initially it was thought that local cup finals and such would be played at the stadium but the high cost and the relutance of Hull City to allow others onto the pitch means that Craven Park is more often than not used.
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| Absolutely brilliant news
If They get a new place built at Agecroft I will have another club to follow
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| Quote ="Starbug"Absolutely brilliant news
If They get a new place built at Agecroft I will have another club to follow'"
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| Good luck. Hope everything works out
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| Best wishes
and hope it is not as protracted as our ... hopes
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"If this comes off then the "excuses" of other clubs in getting new grounds becomes interesting!
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Really? Go on, explain yourself.
Good luck to Swinton. It'll be nice to see them back in their own place once again. You never know, we might finally get a meaningful derby in the near future, which would be great for both clubs.
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| It doesn't take the scouse mutants long to try and put the misguided boot into Leigh, does it?
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| Quote ="GT"Really? Go on, explain yourself.
Good luck to Swinton. It'll be nice to see them back in their own place once again. You never know, we might finally get a meaningful derby in the near future, which would be great for both clubs.'"
Do I REALLY need to?
Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE I need to?
Are you POSITIVE I need to?
If they can do in weeks, what some clubs have taken YEARS and STILL failed to do and YOU STILL need an explanation then..........................................
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| Quote ="GT"Oh, I'm sorry. All those capital letters, full stops and emoticons mean you must be right and so much more intelligent than me.
Now then. Explain why this would mean that other clubs would have to explain "excuses" when there have been genuine issues getting in the way of them building grounds? Or are you just being a facetious busybody?'"
Lets put it SIMPLY then.
They couldn't get off their backsides and do something about it and would rather waste money that went away from these shores.
Lets take Saints as an example.
The most successful team in the SL era and play in a stadium not classed as fit for "Frame the future" or Franchise Standard and Frame the Future went away a long long time ago.
So they "promised" a new stadium as part of their franchise, and if you remember Wakey made a similar "promise" to get into SL and played a whole one game at Barnsley.!!!!
These are but 2 examples, yet a little team like Swinton can possibly get a better standard ground in weeks and those two clubs, as an example, have sat on their collective duffs and really done Sweet FA!!!
And the excuses are for why they didn't do it before and and now for why they can't do it in the future.
Sorry if I have really had to explain it to you.
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| Jesus Leaguefan - that's the first time you've ever explained one of your "crytpic" posts and quite a good one at that. Although on this occasion your first post was easy to comprehend it is to your credit that you've fleshed it out. Congratulations for finally making the effort
More of the same please.
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"Lets put it SIMPLY then.
They couldn't get off their backsides and do something about it and would rather waste money that went away from these shores.
Lets take Saints as an example.
The most successful team in the SL era and play in a stadium not classed as fit for "Frame the future" or Franchise Standard and Frame the Future went away a long long time ago.
So they "promised" a new stadium as part of their franchise, and if you remember Wakey made a similar "promise" to get into SL and played a whole one game at Barnsley.!!!!
These are but 2 examples, yet a little team like Swinton can possibly get a better standard ground in weeks and those two clubs, as an example, have sat on their collective duffs and really done Sweet FA!!!
And the excuses are for why they didn't do it before and and now for why they can't do it in the future.
Sorry if I have really had to explain it to you.'"
First off, Swinton haven't got a ground in 'weeks'. The Agecroft Stadium has been rumbling on for quite a while now and they've had a few setbacks along the way. They may still come across a few more setbacks, nothing's set in stone.
Secondly, as for clubs like Saints, Wakefield, and I'll throw Salford into the mix as well, you don't know the situation behind the scenes. Neither do I. Neither do 99% of us on these forums. There's differing regulations and planning requirements on different sites and through different councils. There's other things that could go wrong - parties pulling out, companies going under. All of these things are usually unforseen, especially when this recession reared it's ugly head, and nothing can be done about them. Just because things are quiet in terms of what's going on in the public domain, that doesn't mean things are not happening behind the scenes and that clubs are sat around on their "collective duffs" doing "sweet FA."
That doesn't mean the clubs should ignore other aspects of the sport and the business that they're trying to run, however.
Just because something comes off for one club, it doesn't mean that other clubs are doing bugger all and just coming out with excuses when it doesn't come off for them.
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Quote ="GT"First off, Swinton haven't got a ground in 'weeks'. The Agecroft Stadium has been rumbling on for quite a while now and they've had a few setbacks along the way. They may still come across a few more setbacks, nothing's set in stone.
Secondly, as for clubs like Saints, Wakefield, and I'll throw Salford into the mix as well, you don't know the situation behind the scenes. Neither do I. Neither do 99% of us on these forums. There's differing regulations and planning requirements on different sites and through different councils. There's other things that could go wrong - parties pulling out, companies going under. All of these things are usually unforseen, especially when this recession reared it's ugly head, and nothing can be done about them. Just because things are quiet in terms of what's going on in the public domain, that doesn't mean things are not happening behind the scenes and that clubs are sat around on their "collective duffs" doing "sweet FA."
That doesn't mean the clubs should ignore other aspects of the sport and the business that they're trying to run, however.
Just because something comes off for one club, it doesn't mean that other clubs are doing bugger all and just coming out with excuses when it doesn't come off for them.'"
Indeed, its hugely complicated!
story from 2006 mentioning Agecroft: www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 11204.html the scheme has been knocking about for years, certainly nothing has ben done in just weeks and its OBVIOUSLY not as easy to do as some suggest - or we'd all be doing it! but good luck Swinton.
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Quote ="GT"First off, Swinton haven't got a ground in 'weeks'. The Agecroft Stadium has been rumbling on for quite a while now and they've had a few setbacks along the way. They may still come across a few more setbacks, nothing's set in stone.
Secondly, as for clubs like Saints, Wakefield, and I'll throw Salford into the mix as well, you don't know the situation behind the scenes. Neither do I. Neither do 99% of us on these forums. There's differing regulations and planning requirements on different sites and through different councils. There's other things that could go wrong - parties pulling out, companies going under. All of these things are usually unforseen, especially when this recession reared it's ugly head, and nothing can be done about them. Just because things are quiet in terms of what's going on in the public domain, that doesn't mean things are not happening behind the scenes and that clubs are sat around on their "collective duffs" doing "sweet FA."
That doesn't mean the clubs should ignore other aspects of the sport and the business that they're trying to run, however.
Just because something comes off for one club, it doesn't mean that other clubs are doing bugger all and just coming out with excuses when it doesn't come off for them.'"
Indeed, its hugely complicated!
story from 2006 mentioning Agecroft: www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 11204.html the scheme has been knocking about for years, certainly nothing has ben done in just weeks and its OBVIOUSLY not as easy to do as some suggest - or we'd all be doing it! but good luck Swinton.
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| Quote ="mmp"Indeed, its hugely complicated!
story from 2006 mentioning Agecroft: www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/rugby-league/great-britain-call-thorman-411204.html the scheme has been knocking about for years, certainly nothing has ben done in just weeks and its OBVIOUSLY not as easy to do as some suggest - or we'd all be doing it! but good luck Swinton.'"
Sorry to derail the thread for a second, but my God I know GB were shocking that year, but just imagine how much worse it could have been with Thorman!
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