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| Quote ="Grendel"Max,
Of the 2000 ACTUAL Leeds supportes at our last match, every single one of them that spoke to me, or I them (and it musta been about 50), all thought we'd been screwed over.
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To repeat GSF's question, which you still have not answered, how exactly have you been 'screwed over', and by whom ?
I'd appreciate a genuine answer rather than personal abuse or a sarcastic rant.
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| Quote ="prehensile"To repeat GSF's question, which you still have not answered, how exactly have you been 'screwed over', and by whom ?
I'd appreciate a genuine answer rather than personal abuse or a sarcastic rant.'"
By having the rules manipulated and other clubs in RL stomped all over so they could have a super league licence they weren't ready for. Tough innit?
Before anyone starts, please note I said a licence they weren't ready for not one they didn't deserve
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| Quote ="Grendel"Max,
Aw diddums, someone's saying nasty things (back) about your club?
Poor BABY, you must be having the toughest time of anyone in Rugby League!
Oh and it's not EVERYONE from other clubs being bitchy little queens. Just a couple of the bitterest mongs on RLfannys.
For instance there are at most about 4 Leeds aligned tosspots on this board having a pop at us. Of the 2000 ACTUAL Leeds supportes at our last match, every single one of them that spoke to me, or I them (and it musta been about 50), all thought we'd been screwed over.
And this has proven typical. But fill your boots bitches, because nobody with the power to change anything is reading you.'"
Nobody said they were. It's an internet forum.
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| Quote ="Grendel"Max,
Aw diddums, someone's saying nasty things (back) about your club?
Poor BABY, you must be having the toughest time of anyone in Rugby League!
Oh and it's not EVERYONE from other clubs being bitchy little queens. Just a couple of the bitterest mongs on RLfannys.
For instance there are at most about 4 Leeds aligned tosspots on this board having a pop at us. Of the 2000 ACTUAL Leeds supportes at our last match, every single one of them that spoke to me, or I them (and it musta been about 50), all thought we'd been screwed over.
And this has proven typical. But fill your boots bitches, because nobody with the power to change anything is reading you.'"
Awww bless you just don't understand do you. Must be tough having the IQ of a one celled amoeba. No matter how many times it's spelt out to you, you just don't grasp it do you. I do pity you.
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| Quote Awww bless you just don't understand do you. Must be tough having the IQ of a one celled amoeba.'"
As opposed to ....?
Quote No matter how many times it's spelt out to you, you just don't grasp it do you. I do pity you.'"
I think you'll find it's spelled.
If you're gonna go for the intellectual high ground, do some research first eh?
And I don't need it spelled out to me. I get it very well. Because we got a franchise not you we are to be damned whatever our results.
This Bud's for you
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| Quote ="Grendel"<snip>'"
Tee Hee
Still not prepared to answer a couple of simple questions though eh ?
Just to remind you, I asked how you had been 'screwed over' and by whom ?
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| He spoke to 50 odd Leeds fans at the recent game who told him Celtic had been 'screwed over' and he believed them.Very knowledgable these Leeds fans,they know more about it than the UKBA.They also told him the moon was made of green cheese.
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| these 6 aussies can go france ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="Grendel"As opposed to ....?
I think you'll find it's spelled.
If you're gonna go for the intellectual high ground, do some research first eh?'"
Is it really? Perhaps you should do your 'research'.
Quote And I don't need it spelled out to me. I get it very well. Because we got a franchise not you we are to be damned whatever our results.
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Ok so because we missed out on a license and you didn't, we're not allowed an opinion on the fiasco that your season has turned into. We get it. Your mental capacity does not stretch beyond that does it. We understand.
You've still yet to tell us where that puts the media and the fans of other Super League clubs who are of the same opinion.
Come on Einstein, tell us. Is Phil Clarke a bitter Widnes fan in disguise? How has he come to form his opinion?
Quote This Bud's for you
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Aren't you the artistic one.
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Quote SmokeyTA wrote: any chance of a response to this starbug,
or have we reached that stage of a celtic thread were logic and facts are ignored in favour of shameless rfl/expansion/celtic/everybody who doesnt hate SL bashing as you usually do? '"
Quote Sure no problem , the reason I didn't reply was simple , you are wrong , you have not read the statement by Craig Spence in the RL and LE
He states '"
Quote The system had changed in 2005, however , after a period between 2003 and 2005 when players were allowed to play sport for semi professional clubs with working holiday visas .
Many clubs took advantage of this arrangementto recruit overseas players who wouldn't otherwise qualify to play in this country , and the UKBA gave a concession in 2005 to allow players who were playing with working holiday visas to play out their contracts
But , in 2005 , one club , thought to be Gateshead , challenged the UKBA , arguing that it should be able to play geuinely amatuer players who come to the country with working holiday visas .
The home office supported thhe club and went against it's own rule
From that point onwards the RFL adopted a policy whereby it agreed to register some overseas players while not encouraging it '"
All seems fairly straight forward to me
Must be straight forward to you as well now
That ' report ' seems to be taking a while to find its way from the UKBA to Red Hall ?
Or maybe it has been ' filed ' until they think we have all forgotten about it ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Oh nice to see you've resurrected this thread Starbuggerer.
Yeah for once I think you could be right.
The UKBAsterds probably HAVE filed it, in the hope we will all forget about their shameful fitting up of ONE club out of 14 who used those visas.
When our players appeal I have no doubt the unsafe judgement will be overturned. But by then no doubt our club will have folded which, let's face it, was the original intent of the UKBAsterd scam's originator.
Of 14 clubs to have used the visas, it is only the WELSH one that's been investigated.
But YOU Starbuggerer, who see conspiracy everywhere, no doubt see no conspiracy in that.
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| Quote ="Grendel"Oh nice to see you've resurrected this thread Starbuggerer.
Yeah for once I think you could be right.
The UKBAsterds probably HAVE filed it, in the hope we will all forget about their shameful fitting up of ONE club out of 14 who used those visas.
When our players appeal I have no doubt the unsafe judgement will be overturned. But by then no doubt our club will have folded which, let's face it, was the original intent of the UKBAsterd scam's originator.
Of 14 clubs to have used the visas, it is only the WELSH one that's been investigated.
But YOU Starbuggerer, who see conspiracy everywhere, no doubt see no conspiracy in that.'"
Where is the statement from the UKBA about these other 13 clubs ?
You are getting confused here
The UKBA have done nothing wrong
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| Why would UKBAsterds mention anything about the other 13 clubs they choose not to investigate? Why would they highlight their own failings and selective "investigations"?
I think YOU are confused there.
Where is your evidence the UKBAsterds have done nothing wrong?
you have none do you?
Your entire anti-Crusaders campaign which runs to what? Nearly 2000 posts? You don't post one scrap of evidence. You merely highlight the opinion which suits you most and choose to present this mere opinion as "fact".
Given your current status, just as well you didn't get into SL eh? Seeing as you barely survive in Ch1
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| Quote ="Grendel"Why would UKBAsterds mention anything about the other 13 clubs they choose not to investigate? Why would they highlight their own failings and selective "investigations"?
I think YOU are confused there.
Where is your evidence the UKBAsterds have done nothing wrong?
you have none do you?
Your entire anti-Crusaders campaign which runs to what? Nearly 2000 posts? You don't post one scrap of evidence. You merely highlight the opinion which suits you most and choose to present this mere opinion as "fact".
Given your current status, just as well you didn't get into SL eh? Seeing as you barely survive in Ch1'"
They havent mentioned the other clubs because they havent mentioned anything about any clubs
The RFL are the ones who posted a statement about 13 other clubs , but all those clubs had already given contracts to players before Celtic Crusaders had played a single game of proffessional RL
All those other clubs used the relevant Visa's before 2005
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| Getting close to 2 months now , that UKBA report must be a big un ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Starbug"Getting close to 2 months now , that UKBA report must be a big un
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They're waiting for everyone to forget about it. I think you're the only one left ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="littlerich"They're waiting for everyone to forget about it. I think you're the only one left
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| Quote ="Starbug"icon_wink.gif'"
Starbug, I've got visions of you looking like your avatar waiting for the report to come out!! Probably will do though as I can't see how the Borders Agency could send a copy of the report without breaching the Crowns own confidentiality code, all comments I've found from the RFL state they've asked for a copy but no mention of being given a copy, similarly if they UKBA are still investigating the club as previously mentioned in this thread I can't imagine the RFL can do much given there's legal enquiries going on.
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| Quote ="Traffic"Starbug, I've got visions of you looking like your avatar waiting for the report to come out!! Probably will do though as I can't see how the Borders Agency could send a copy of the report without breaching the Crowns own confidentiality code, all comments I've found from the RFL state they've asked for a copy but no mention of being given a copy, similarly if they UKBA are still investigating the club as previously mentioned in this thread I can't imagine the RFL can do much given there's legal enquiries going on.'"
If that is the case why would the RFL even bother requesting one , as they would surely have been told it was not available to them
I am not waiting for any report , we all know what was in it , what is the question is how long do the RFL think they can avoid the questions that would be asked ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"If that is the case why would the RFL even bother requesting one , as they would surely have been told it was not available to them
I am not waiting for any report , we all know what was in it , what is the question is how long do the RFL think they can avoid the questions that would be asked ?'"
You think you know what was in it - something called innocent until proven guilty rings a bell
End of the day I don't think that report will ever come out unless the UKBA find something against the club and given that it's been a while already I would imagine that the UKBA lawyers are struggling to find any evidence of illegality in the clubs actions. Would seem odd that they've deported the 6 and yet they've not noted anything against the club, in this type of investigation any complicity by the club would be investigated at the same time and therefore the lack of action leads me to think that there's no case for the club to answer.
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| Quote ="Traffic"You think you know what was in it - something called innocent until proven guilty rings a bell
End of the day I don't think that report will ever come out unless the UKBA find something against the club and given that it's been a while already I would imagine that the UKBA lawyers are struggling to find any evidence of illegality in the clubs actions. Would seem odd that they've deported the 6 and yet they've not noted anything against the club, in this type of investigation any complicity by the club would be investigated at the same time and therefore the lack of action leads me to think that there's no case for the club to answer.'"
Correct
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| Maybe in 4 weeks time when the 4 nations are over the RFL might find time to look at this subject again , or not ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Starbug"Maybe in 4 weeks time when the 4 nations are over the RFL might find time to look at this subject again , or not
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Look this way please Mr Bug.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Look this way please Mr Bug.
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