I retract my posts after reading the hull fans version of events.Hull should be given the 2 points and Mcillorum should be recipient of 4 game ban for dangerous contact to Watts elbow with his jaw.

Well done in lifting a line from a post to try and deflect.What I said was the Wigan fans after wembley didn't cry like you lot last night/today. Put all the emoticons you like the facts are hull have tried rough house bully boy tactics last 2 games and come off 2nd best both times.Ironic thing is when they actually concentrated on playing hard fair rugby they looked good.

Wigan fans are the most insular and whining fans in the game. The whole of the Rugby League world revolves around them and if they didn't exist then RL wouldn't exist as far as they're concerned. After they beat us in the CC Semi all I heard in the pub after was about how they needed more protection from our thuggish behaviour

. This coming from the dirtiest an grubbiest bunch of s in RL!!



There was f*ck all wrong with Watts collision last night, no raised elbow, no unnatural movement, it was merely a case of the defender getting it wrong with an attempted big hit. We'll end up 10v10 every week if you're gonna start throwing reds around for challenges like that. Guaranteed if it was the other way round MM wouldn't have walked for that challenge.

Great effort by Hull and I'd really like to see a Hull-Cas final as IMO they've been the best 2 teams we've played this season. Have a horrible feeling the RFL will do anything they can to get their golden boys to the GF tho.

The "game" was a disgrace regardless of the sending off.
They weren't players on that pitch they were just a bunch of street yobs looking for a fight.
Wigan had obviously come to settle some scores and they were the main instigators but some of the Hull players were just as bad .
No doubt the Wigan fans will jump to their teams defence but I remember Wigan when they had a team you could respect, the days of Ashton,  Boston,  McTigue etc they had tough forwards in those days but at least they played rugby.
The current crop are not much more than a bunch of street thugs and a disgrace to Rugby League and to the name of the Wigan club  in particular

Bloody hell I do not like Wigan but I think you have gone over the top with your post Both teams were has bad has each other and by the way I can not stand hull FC has well

Rubbish. Great game of rugby league. Yes it was sometimes niggly, even spiteful at times, but it was two excellent teams going flat out at each other without either giving an inch, and there was some great skill on show at times too. The game literally had everything, and if you didnt enjoy that I don't see why you follow the sport at all.

On the Watts red card, for me it wasn't one. If people think it was then that's up to them, but no one will be able to convince me it was. Red cards should be reserved for deliberate, serious foul play, and that simply wasn't. It was a split second reaction to an impending big shot, and whilst I hope McIlorum is ok, you have to put more of the blame on him. He came like he had been shot out of a cannon and his technique was all wrong.

Gutted to lose after putting in so much effort to get back in. It would have been a famous victory had we held on, but wasn't to be. You kind of knew what was coming when all those back to back sets were stacking up at the end. Hopefully Watts will avoid a ban and Talanoa will be back next week to bolster the back line a bit (if not at least Michaels will be). Got to make sure we get a result against Wakefield and then we can sit back and see if Huddersfield and or Cas can do us a favour. If we have to win twice in two weeks at the jungle to reach Old Trafford then so be it. Bring em on.

I've been watching the game for 60 yrs if thats what you think is a great game of Rugby League I feel sorry for you .
Early on Tompkins and Connor were acting like a couple of niggling brats, they should have been sent off early on and they could have sorted their differences out on the car park then maybe the ones who wanted to play rugby could have got on with it.

Connor and the Wigan forward squaring upto each other was a disgrace.
The game should be played tough and hard but it should be left on the field

Not a red for me. Unless players carry the ball with their arms straight down by their side (like a soldier) the elbow has to be somewhere.
MM tried to put a big shot on Watts and ran into his elbow. It's got to be somewhere.

here is a comment of someone who has watched the narrow coverage from TV and thinks they can offer an informed opinion.

Having been at the game and watched much of it back on TV, the rough house tactics were clearly instilled in Wigan. McIllorum and Tomkins striking out after the ball has been played, kicking the tackled player, stamping on the hands of a prone player. Not once penalised.

It was my understanding that only the captain of a side was allowed to speak to the official? Tomkins and Bateman had more dialog with Hick than there was on Frost v Nixon.

In hindsight, the major incident, there is clearly contact to the head from Watts fore arm (not elbow). Ok, by the letter of the current interpretation of the rules, its a penalty. It is not a red card. If it is, there would be a dozen cards per game.

If it was a one off error by the officials, fair enough, they are human and make mistakes. However, its the glaring inconsistencies, in the same game which are what are destroying the game. Griffin gets pulled for a cannonball, fair enough, it was a soft one but a correct decision. Second half, similar situation involving either Tuatai or Isa (couldnt make out who at the time), yet no penalty. The high swinging arm into Griffins face in the 2nd half, penality but no further action from a ref who has produced a card for a head contact.

Oh, then there is the clear forward pass for Wigans 3rd try. How is that missed??

Stiil, Hull were the architects of their own downfall, Not for one minute am I blaming individuals, but examples of this are Sneyd throwing out a miracle pass to Gelling within 2 mins of the restart. Or Shaul knocking on having got possession back with 2 minutes left when its a 2 point game.

Hull were the better team. A more objective decision on Watts, the game stays at 13v13, Hull win that game.

Of course you think it was a red, you literally have red blinkers on.

Have a look on twitter at the former players, current players and even match officials opinion, they are likely to be a bit more level headed than someone who openly states they hate Hull FC

So, do you revel in the era of Jim Mills, Ron Wileman, John Millington ??? Or were the Aussie boys, you know the Les Boyds of this world your thing?

What exactly should Tomkins and Conner have been send off for? For winding each other up? I thought you liked your rugby tough?

And I suppose you're not biassed?

Players, coaches etc said that Clubb's no try should have been given and we were told by Hull fans that they don't know what they're talking about. You win some, you lose some as Radford said. You can't possibly say that had Watt's been sent off you would have won because it completely changes the dynamic of a team. Often you find the team with a player missing up their game knowing they're a man down.

Player’s squaring upto each other in the the heat of the moment but off the ball niggling is cheap and petulant and yes they should have been sent off for winding each other up because that's what leads to the game blowing up and spoils it for everyone. The ref should have got them together and told them straight "either play rugby or if you want to act like peevish kids you can do your squabbling elsewhere "

Do you see games like that as the future of the game. If you were the coach of a kids game would you show the video of the match as an example of what they should aspire to.

The Griffin 3rd man in attack on back of knee seemed to be the start of the niggle becoming more physical . mcillorum then has spat with Kelly, just after that Watts hits him with a Fozzard elbow. Agree with the poster stating that hull fans discounted expert opinions when ref ruled in their favour yet now quote same experts as credible when they feel hard done by. We will have to see how the disciplinary panel see all this?

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Heads ok thanks for the messages!
No blame to anyone it's rugby league this stuff happens, hopefully not too many more times

I posted last night on the Hull forum about how much rubbish Cummings talks. Sky seriously need to bin him off.

Basically on Thursday night Saints put up a kick. Atkinson jumped to catch it but he knocked on. Immediately after he got tackled in the air. Ref gave scrum to Wakey. Cummings said this was correct as the error occurred first therefore a scrum was the right outcome.

Last night, Wigan knocked on. The ball came out, ended up with McIlorum then Kelly hit him high. The ref awarded penalty to Wigan because the foul play overrules the knock on. Cummings agreed in the commentary box! Literally contradicted exactly what he said and argued about the night before.

As a Hull fan I'm not moaning about last night's ref there, as I think he got it right last night with that call. I just personally can't stand listening to Cummings try and justify the refs decisions all the time when it leads to himself constantly contradicting himself every week!

A bit earlier than that Connor gave Tomkins a swinging arm around the chops from behind, then you had the Griffin tackle, then the Kelly throat grab, then the Watts elbow. But on the FC boards it's all Wigan's fault, we are the houses and it's all fixed

1st set of the game oloughlin took out sneyd after he kicked should've be been a penalty and yellow card

Then there was a second one in the second half.

Takes him out? Yellow card? How long have you been addicted to spice and are you seeking help?

One question from that, is a tackle in the air classed as foul play or a technical offence. If it is foul play you have a valid point.

I would assume foul play as it's putting the player in risk of a serious injury.

No charge for Liam Watts. The RFL see sense, though probably down to the social media attention from current/ex players about it being the wrong decision.

Thanks to the referee, we have been reduced to 12 men, in a vitally important game that we lost in the last few minutes, due to an incorrect call. Brilliant.

The RFL haven't said it was an incorrect call though. They have said sending off sufficient which means there was an offence committed whether it was accidental or not.

the rfl contradict themselves in the wording! they just cant accept it was a wrong call and say they got it wrong


nowhere do they say watts was leading with his arm or elbow

I remember James Graham going to charge a drop kick down in the NRL and accidentally catching the standing leg. A penalty was given even though he didn't do anything wrong. I suspect the RFL have seen it as accidental and therefore said it was sending off sufficient.