Think Daniel Anderson was referring to RL in general, not just St Helens.

Hanley, Schofield, Kevin Ward, Lee Crooks, Shaun Edwards, Steve Hampson, Chris Bibb, Deryck Fox, Lee Jackson, Kelvin Skerrett, plus Paul Newlove and Gary Conolly (talking of centres) all great players not one an RU import. (I could name more)
What do these players have in common apart from being great players? They all had spells in Australia.
That is the way forward. Plus competitive games. There are too many easy games. Because we don't have P&R. Bring it back, it'll settle down again and the lower clubs will bridge the gap in class.
WE lost the series to Australia in 1990 on the back of one bad ref's decsion at Old Trafford. If that decision (obstruction on Gibson) had gone our way we'd have won the game and the series - that's how clsoe we were. Close in 1992, inj Oz and in the World Cup final same year. Same in 1995.

The answer is simple


Make Garry Scholfield the RL Supremo

so we never had easy games and blowouts when we last had relegation. Who you kidding?

Even in a 10 team league we still gonna get blowouts as we don't have 10 strong teams.

Honestly some people are living in a dream world. Going on like P&R is gonna solve all the problems.

i'd love to get rid of the poor teams in SL which just makes so many games a dire spectacle and with a rise in high intensity games we'd hopefully see an improvement in the national team. Get rid of your wakefields, hull kr (who are one of the worst for bringing over average aussies), london, widnes and stick em into the second division with clubs their own size who they can compete with using their academies

New to rl?

As shocking as this may be it is still the best idea by far

No, no its not.

We can't have Schofield as RL supremo because it's more important that we appoint him to the England coaching job.

New to sarcasm ?

Didn't say the whole team was made up of Union imports but it was supplemented by imports, especially in the backline.

1. Alan Tait
2. Martin Offiah
3. Scott Gibbs
4. John Deveraux
5.
6. Joanthin Davies
7. David Bishop

Not a bad International top up from that era!

Oh you pessimistic pommies..
All you need is 13 men on the day who think they can win.

If sport was only statistics then India would have been the dominant cricketing nation for the last few decades.

The way you run down your own players (and the game itself) simply because of your chip-on-shoulder attitude is frankly unbelievable

Easy for you to say, try watching 30 years of dissapointment!

He's got a point though

Just who do you think you are? get rid of poor teams, thats four teams you have named one of wich has finished in the top 8 for the last three seasons, who do you sugest replaces them or if it is ten teams? do you dump another couple of sides when they finish at the bottom or have a poor season.
Have you considered that the game you seem to think is dire is brought about by the rules that we now play to? I happen to like the game but how can reducing the number of sides improve the sport or do you just care about your own entertainment? Also where do you think the suporters of those sides go? I doubt we would follow an other side or rush to pay for SKY once our sides are gone. The reason England/GB are years behind the NRL is down to one thing only & that is that the people down under support & pay for League in the UK we are a minority sport that the vast majority know little about & those that do follow can not be bothered to turn up in anything like the numbers that are required to attract sponsors cash or meaningfull TV exposure.

Thing is though would he want the job? As talented as he was he tends to keep himself to himself and doesn't have many opinions on the modern game.

Well said.

People back home believe that the aussies have far superior coaching, training, conditioning etc. etc. Which is an absolute myth. Yet people will argue the case despite the fact that they haven't been coached or trained in Oz at an aussie club. We have to have a reason for why we lose series, not tests, and the answer they come up with is "they must have better etc. etc."

If only we realised that a lot more people play it in Oz and the numbers of gifted players is far greater. They get 17 players on a park that can beat our 17 more than we have them since 1970. The aussies have a lot more to choose from.

Then we can drop the "aussies are superior" nonsense and believe we can win.

On a positive note, remember Australia hasn't beaten GB in Sydney for a decade now.

I wouldn't want to distract him from curing cancer and ending world peace, we have to put Schofield pbuh above the mere good of our game.

I think at a SL level the back room facilities are not significantly different to the NRL, with a first grade squad there are only so many physios, dieticians and strength coaches you actually need, and whether the club has it's own gym or uses subscriptions to a private health club the access to equipment and professional trainers is not going to be materially different, so money really can only buy so much in that respect. Where the difference comes in is at the lower levels of the game, where the investment in equipment, facilities and coaching is missing, and that feeds through. Unless picked up by a SL club youth set-up at an early stage it is unlikely a player will progress to first grade, and we don't have a wide enough base of grass roots clubs with excellent coaching facilities to prime the pump.

Spot on. Sadly, at lower level, much of the coaching is rubbish.

Alan Tait - not in the same class as Hamson or Chris Bibb
John Devereaux - very naive - reponsible for Oz winning at Wembley in '92 when Renouf made him look like a monkey
David Bishop






I'll give you Scott Gibbs and Davies - both excellent converts, Davies possibly the best I've seen since Lewis Jones. Offiah was quick. Once he stopped being quick his career was over.

Better than both for me. You can make an argument for Hampson but he was just good under a high ball. Tait was a better attacker, runner and defender than Hampson. On Bibb, I'll have to pass on that because I don't remember him doing anything that stuck in my, admittedly woeful, memory.



I thought Devereaux was okay and I'm not sure you can condemn a man's entire career on a slip up against one of the best centres to ever play the game, in a World Cup Final. Agree on Bishop. Had a couple of good games but never enough to seriously suggest he was international quality.

Its not just the union imports its the players we've lost to union.

You're probably right with the amount of money in the game at lower levels.

But exactly the same applies to a kid if they aren't picked up by an NRL club. The junior rep comp for example in NSW would start at Harold Matts (U16s), though all sides have development squads looking for good players. Before that there are clubs that have juniors. And of those clubs, more and more are disappearing.

One more thing to consider is that with kids, I've seen St Helens come over here twice and beat their NRL counterparts. So maybe the perceived problem is after that.

We've had countless australian coaches go to the UK. Do people really think no-one learnt anything from them if they were so special and different?

/has

I'm not saying Tait wasn't a good attacking fullback - but then so was Chris Bibb - but he was very suspect defensively. He didn't seem to know how to use the touchline as an extra defender -this was badly shown up by Offiah's try at Wembley in 1993 -Offiah was fast but Tait should have at least been in a position to tackle him - he wasn't. I saw Bibb play quite a lot - as a Fev fan I admit I'm biased. But he kept us in games against the top sides in the late 80's by his sheer defensive positional abilities. Devereaux was as you say "ok" but not in the same class as say Henderson Gill, or Robinson say.
Union imports had their place in RL international sides, and there were some good ones - not mentioned - but the core of a top RL side had/has to of solid RL pedigree or they'll never really win anything. Look at the Salford side of the seventies, stuffed full of Union talent. Maurice Richards, Mike Coulman, David Watkins, Keith Fielding, and what did they actually win in the end? Same sould be said of the80's/90's Leeds sides. packed with big name Union players Gallagher, Young, Fallon - what did they win?