look what hull kr have managed to achieved in their short time in SL compared to both cas and wakey.

their ground is improving, they spend full salary cap, they have a good away following.

it mightnt be the best ground in SL but it is improving.

hey Lizzie Dripping,
you forgot they're £3 million in debt!

Hull KR, even with their excellent core of support, are not currently sustainable without excessive outside funding. Were that to discontinue they would be up the creek.

Minor point that does not fit the agenda maybe?

so are most SL clubs spending the full cap.

Hull KR are a growing club

if they keep up current trends they wont need outside funding to spend full cap

you dont see Hull KR being hit with a winding up order unlike wakey were

guess why that is ?

Thats because the owe money to the right people.

HMRC are, rightly, very unforgiving with money owed to them. See Crystal Palace and the threats imposed on Portsmouth and Notts County.

Quite,
maybe it's intentional but Lizzies ignorance of the details and real facts might also play a part in his deluded view of the situation over here. It could also be that he's intentionaly being obtuse and stupid which would explain why he refuses to acknowledge the truth even when it's backed up by facts.

He could also just be an obnoxious pr|[k who loves to sh'it stir.

lucky hull kr then eh?

(hint im being sarcastic)

Yes very lucky. But as long as the person underwriting Hull KR’s loses is happy then they're fine.

clubs have directors who put funds into the club.

maybe if wakey had the same kind of outside support they could pay their tax bills on time.

Indeed and they could be held up as a shining example by yourself as to how a SL club should be run.

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...any chance of a sensible one?

Maybe if all clubs ran themselves like a business with income and expenditure balancing themselves out, yet producing a team that can reach 5th in the league one year and a CC semi final the previous one, we might then have a sport which is not dependent on The size of TV contracts.

and selling off their ground to pay off their tax bills too.

You got that info from where exactly, you really are a joke - not even close son

You mean the club that was in administration for a considerable period of time?

Lizzie, Lizzie, Lizzie!
Which is it?
Did we sell players to pay the tax bill or did we sell the ground?
Please offer me some kind of link, a statement from the club something, anything that backs up your claims.

You're on the brink fella, your non-sensical rantings about Wakefield have blown any semblance of credabity you ever had. Please tell us you have somekind of demonstrable support for your inane protestations otherwise the value of your opinion, already paper thin, is gone forever.

Unfortunately it doesnt work like that.
I believe the average crowd in SL is around 9,000.

At £18 per head, which is over the average adult ticket price and doesn't take into account concessions thats only £2.1million per year from attendances. Plus some sponsorship of say another million (I have no idea about sponsorship, it may be too low or more likely is too high) to take it to £3.1m. Take £1.6m out for player wages and that leaves only £1.5m for the club to spend on coaching staff, ground maintenence, match day costs, back office staff, board members, advertising & marketing etc.

Now obviously this is only very basic, but you get the idea that clubs desperately need that extra £1m and a bit from the Sky deal every year. Especially as there are quite a few clubs (6 of them by my count) who don't get the 9,000 average.

Some probs with the maths there though:

1. You need to deduct VAT from the attendances receipts - about £1/3m

2. You need to add 12.8% NIC onto the players' salaries - about £200k.

You are down to £1m left already.

glad things are sorted for wakey

onwards and upwards

i never said you sold players to pay off the tax bill.

its not 1995 anymore, as much as a keighley fan wishes it were.

Yeah I know, I deliberately tried to keep it simple just to point out that even without paying tax and National Insurance, there isn't enough money to run a club simply from attendances and sponsorship, nevermind if you add in what you've just mentioned.
It's the same for every club, in nearly every sport, the TV and governing body money is vital to the survival of the clubs.