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| Don't forget that both Saints and Widnes are playing at Widnes' ground next year so there are a lot of logistics to be considered alongside any premature promotion. Ridiculous suggestion anyway because there's no selection process been created to allow for this to happen. If Wakefield are unable to participate in next year's competition games involving them should be treated as byes. Let's wait and see what happens first though with their situation. It's not over yet.
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| Quote ="The Clan"Hey, I understand all that, I've operated at high levels in sports which dwarf RL and understand the business edge that such pressures can bring to bear on all concerned.
While SL has elevated RL to greater levels we still remain a small almost community based sport, we are not viewed as one of the big dogs hence the problems with image rights payments. We still have to fight our corner to get media attention and despite Sport England funding being much better we are small potatoes compared even to Rugby Union.
RL can ill afford to tear itself apart from the inside in an attempt to push the "we are an innovative sport" line too far. If Wakefield fold I don't think the RFL or the RL community really know what or how far reaching the repercussions will be, and Wakefield may not be the last.'"
Well said that man.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Don't forget that both Saints and Widnes are playing at Widnes' ground next year so there are a lot of logistics to be considered alongside any premature promotion. Ridiculous suggestion anyway because there's no selection process been created to allow for this to happen. =#FF0000If Wakefield are unable to participate in next year's competition games involving them should be treated as byes. Let's wait and see what happens first though with their situation. It's not over yet.'"
A bye system doesn't work with an odd number of teams and an odd number of games
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| Or, as in previous years when clubs have folded before or part way through a season, everybody gets two points for the scheduled game against them. All of which is a little previous – Wakey clearly have a financial problem, but that's not the same as saying they're going to fold and not complete their fixtures.
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| Quote ="tb"Or, as in previous years when clubs have folded before or part way through a season, everybody gets two points for the scheduled game against them. All of which is a little previous – Wakey clearly have a financial problem, but that's not the same as saying they're going to fold and not complete their fixtures.'"
So Cas benifit more than the rest ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Starbug"A bye system doesn't work with an odd number of teams and an odd number of games'"
Good point. I suppose you could allocate an additional two points to teams instead, including consideration of the extra fixture that Castleford gets. It would mean that Castleford will still technically have one game less than everyone else but that's seem a fairly practical solution if the worse should happen.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So Cas benifit more than the rest
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We'll take six points off them whatever happens ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote ="tb"We'll take six points off them whatever happens
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Yes I get the feeling that Cas fans are suddenly all a bit happier than they were a few weeks ago , I wonder why that should be ?
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| The problem is, who's going to invest if Wakey aren't guaranteed a SL place in 2012? If the worst comes to the worst, the best solution is to run with 13 clubs next season (although that could depend on Sky's attitude), although there'd be a problem with being a team short for the Magic weekend.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes I get the feeling that Cas fans are suddenly all a bit happier than they were a few weeks ago , I wonder why that should be ?'"
Good signings, new sponsorships, clearance of the "blast zone", full dpp submitted. Maybe that's why
Hope Wakefield get through all this, but not looking good. If I was a Wakie fan, I'd be more concerned about the future existence of WTW rather than a SL licence.
GL WTW
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Well if they don't raise the money, it looks like mine and Ceejames spat about whether they should say NOW that they intend to play in the Championship next year was pointless [uas they won't make it anyway![/u'"
So your so called spat with Jessie was nothing more than an attempt to cause an argument with her and it had nothing to do with your opposition to her opinions as what she perceived was the best course of action for Wakey. Apart from the speculation that we will go into administration do you have a link to back up this premature announcement of yours or is it just your opinion.
Quote ="Wellsy13"It's a shame this hadn't happened a few months ago. At least they could have looked into relinquishing their license and promoting someone new there and then in time for this season.'"
![Shocked icon_eek.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_eek.gif) Well Ceejames has certainly had an impact on you squire, I cannot be @rsed atm to bring your previous quote up concerning this matter when she suggested it and you laughed at her suggestion, but if prompted I will if only to prove you seem to be having opinions just for the sake of having them.
Quote ="Wellsy13"Looks like someone else may be joining Cru on minus points this year (and that's not the worst case scenario).'"
![Shocked icon_eek.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_eek.gif) Us Wakey fans will be the first to admit our recruitment for this coming season is poor, and we are favorites along with Quins to finish bottom, but I find it alarming that the RFL are now going to deduct points for not winning a game
Quote ="Wellsy13"But...You never know. Between now and July, a rich benefactor may come in, save the club, invest loads in them, relocate them to Barnsley, apply for a license as a South Yorkshire expansion club with plans to build the game around Barnsley, Wakefield and Rotherham, and push Castleford out!'"
Well to an extent we are halfway there, the difference is that the ground when it eventually gets built will be owned by the Wakefield Sports Council and not by the council unlike FC. And you never know the RFL unlikely as it sounds might have us in line to take over a more successful club but less in stature than ourselves thus giving us a quick return to SL ![DOH icon_biggrin.gifOH:](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_doh.gif) just like your club really I suppose. Just one piece of advice squire all that sheite in your head will make you top heavy, be careful when you lean out of your ivory tower.
Quote ="Wellsy13"A bit like Cru in a way. They had a crap ground and crap team and debts all over.'"
![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif) All things considered then, we havent done too badly beating FC on a fairly regular basis of late with a crap team, despite not having the finances to spend up to the full cap unlike yourselves ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes I get the feeling that Cas fans are suddenly all a bit happier than they were a few weeks ago , I wonder why that should be ?'"
happy that we might stay in super league = yes,what fan doesnt want their team to be in the top flight.
happy that wakefield are in this situation = not at all,although it might help us in the franchise race its not something i would wish on any club.
imo its very sad that the franchise system is already turning club against club,some people will say its only cas or wakey but to us its the same as if it were wigan or saints or hull or hull kr to face the chop.
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| Quote ="braytontiger"happy that we might stay in super league = yes,what fan doesnt want their team to be in the top flight.
happy that wakefield are in this situation = not at all,although it might help us in the franchise race its not something i would wish on any club.
imo its very sad that the franchise system is already turning club against club,some people will say its only cas or wakey but to us its the same as if it were wigan or saints or hull or hull kr to face the chop.'"
brayton you are spot on. In the pre-franchise days I would have gladly donated a tenner to keep Wakey afloat but as a Cas fan doing that today would be like a turkey voting for Xmas.
I feel desperately sorry for Wakey, they are in no worse a position than Crusaders but the deck seems stacked against them. Imo its time to return to the days when what mattered was how good your team was at Rugby League.
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| Quote ="braytontiger"
imo its very sad that the franchise system is already turning club against club,some people will say its only cas or wakey but to us its the same as if it were wigan or saints or hull or hull kr to face the chop.'"
Hang on. The franchise system is turning club against club more than a relegation deciding end of season game?
Utter rubbish.
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| Quote ="BigRob"Hang on. The franchise system is turning club against club more than a relegation deciding end of season game?
Utter rubbish.'"
has a supporter who has seen the highs and lows of promotion and relgation twice i have a fair idea of the difference,id take promotion and relegation every year over the franchise system at least then its performance on the field that is rewarded and not how well your holes flushes or how shiney your seat is.
all clubs should be aloud the dream of playing in the top flight not just those who have nice grounds or isolated locations.we all know the franchise system was made for expansion clubs and that my friend is utter rubbish.
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| Quote ="braytontiger"has a supporter who has seen the highs and lows of promotion and relgation twice i have a fair idea of the difference,id take promotion and relegation every year over the franchise system at least then its performance on the field that is rewarded and not how well your poop holes flushes or how shiney your seat is.
all clubs should be aloud the dream of playing in the top flight not just those who have nice grounds or isolated locations.we all know the franchise system was made for expansion clubs and that my friend is utter rubbish.'"
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| Quote ="BigRob"Hang on. The franchise system is turning club against club more than a relegation deciding end of season game?
Utter rubbish.'"
Of course it is. Open your eyes.
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| Quote ="BigRob"Hang on. The franchise system is turning club against club more than a relegation deciding end of season game?
Utter rubbish.'"
Prior to franchising I don't recall fans ever hoping that another club would go bust.
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| Quote ="chissitt"So your so called spat with Jessie was nothing more than an attempt to cause an argument with her and it had nothing to do with your opposition to her opinions as what she perceived was the best course of action for Wakey. Apart from the speculation that we will go into administration do you have a link to back up this premature announcement of yours or is it just your opinion.'"
I think you need to calm down and read what I actually wrote again.
I said IF they don't raise the money they won't make it anyway. And they won't, because from what I gather from the report they wouldn't be around any more.
Quote ="chissitt"icon_eek.gif Well Ceejames has certainly had an impact on you squire, I cannot be @rsed atm to bring your previous quote up concerning this matter when she suggested it and you laughed at her suggestion, but if prompted I will if only to prove you seem to be having opinions just for the sake of having them. '"
You have misinterpreted what I have said.
By "this", I am referring to going possibly going bust. If, say back in September after the last game of the regular season, news broke of Wakefield only having a month to obtain £0.5m to survive, the RFL would have been able to put in place contingency plans should they be unable to continue in SL, relinquish their license, and have enough time to seek a replacement.
Quote ="chissitt"icon_eek.gif Us Wakey fans will be the first to admit our recruitment for this coming season is poor, and we are favorites along with Quins to finish bottom, but I find it alarming that the RFL are now going to deduct points for not winning a game
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You need to start thinking about reading the post.
I never once mentioned anything about Wakefield's potential on-field performance this season in that quote.
If Wakefield go into administration, they will have points deducted. Do keep up.
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just like your club really I suppose. Just one piece of advice squire all that sheite in your head will make you top heavy, be careful when you lean out of your ivory tower.'"
What on Earth are you getting your knickers in a twist about here?
What have Hull FC got to do with Wakefield? And what difference does it make who owns the stadium (especially if neither of the comparisons are the club in question!)? What is your agenda, here?
Just what have I said here to get a reaction deserving of that kind of abuse?
Quote ="chissitt"icon_smile.gif All things considered then, we havent done too badly beating FC on a fairly regular basis of late with a crap team, despite not having the finances to spend up to the full cap unlike yourselves
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You have done, and well done to you. Not sure what that proves, or again why you've brought FC into a conversation about Wakefield, but that's for you to justify not me. It's not exactly been an achievement to beat FC over the last few years to be fair, so I wouldn't be taking too much pride from that! (Even though in the last 5 years you've only beaten us 4 times out of 13 games). We've had a crap team for a few years.
So, I'm not quite sure what it is you've read in my post that has upset you to spit out a load of bile like that, but I suggest you reread my post properly and have a think before attacking someone next time.
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| Quote ="ExiledTiger"Prior to franchising I don't recall fans ever hoping that another club would go bust.'"
Who are these fans that are hoping another club will go bust? How many of them are there?
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| I think slowly but surely it is dawning on people that franchises are NOT the panacea to all the games ills, in fact they could be one of the causes!
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| franchising is going to improve english RL greatly, sadly for some fans it will be with them kicking and screaming all the way
its the resistance to change and small minded and old fashioned attitudes thatve kept the game back
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| Quote ="dally messenger"
its the resistance to change and small minded and old fashioned attitudes thatve kept the game back'"
and these people STILL are allowed to run the game!!!
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"I think slowly but surely it is dawning on people that franchises are NOT the panacea to all the games ills, in fact they could be one of the causes!'"
Wakey's problems cannot be put down to franchising.
It appears a bod wanting many hard pressed fans to put in £1K. It also appears this may be to pay old tax bills run up by the bod in previous years! The 'pay now or the club will go bust' approach is shocking.
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| Quote ="chissitt but I find it alarming that the RFL are now going to deduct points for not winning a game
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