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| Quote ="Scorpions for SL"Down 40% not 60% from the initial attendance and that is a pessimistic view. While not as high as the sell out for the first game, crowds of 6000 are still higher than last years and higher than current and other previous super league clubs'"
Thats to be expected by rational people thought aint it.
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| Quote ="Viking Vengeance"And tell us how many of the crowd against Leeds, Hull and Wigan were home supporters. Go on, tell us.... i cant wait.'"
More than half the crowd against us were home fans. The main stand was full with home fans. We took just under 3k.
Leeds had an allocation of just under 2k apparently. Over 8k home fans.
I would imagine Hull FC would take around 2-3k but the crowd was near 7k.
Hudds took 1.5k according to someone on their board, so again, you got it, more home fans.
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HKR attracted many gates of around 1600/1800 in the late 90's and early 2000's and look at them now, 8000 home fans almost every game.People get bored after so many years of lower grade RL.Besides,as has been pointed out,it was a midweek pay on the gate cup tie live on TV so was always going to be below our average.Don't any other professional RL clubs post cup tie attendances, live on TV,much below their league average or is it just Widnes?
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| Quote ="GSF"HKR attracted many gates of around 1600/1800 in the late 90's and early 2000's and look at them now, 8000 home fans almost every game.People get bored after so many years of lower grade RL.'"
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CD - Widnes fans do go on about their crowds in comparison to others.
Regardless, I would prefer to see Widnes in SL in place of Les Cats and the Crusaders. I think you will get decent, but not great, crowds. I just hope you winthr GF to justify your position in SL.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"CD - Widnes fans do go on about their crowds in comparison to others.
Regardless, I would prefer to see Widnes in SL in place of Les Cats and the Crusaders. I think you will get decent, but not great, crowds. I just hope you winthr GF to justify your position in SL.'"
Justify to who?
... and that would justify their place in superleague in the same way as crusaders, catalans and harlequins won championships to justify their places would it? |
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| Quote ="Viking Vengeance"And tell us how many of the crowd against Leeds, Hull and Wigan were home supporters. Go on, tell us.... i cant wait.'"
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| Quote ="Traffic"Good argument apart from the fact you don't ask how many of the 6124 for the home game against Catalans were away fans also.
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Just to follow that up a) Hull took nowhere near 3k, Hudds didn't take 1500 either, chalk a third off each one and you might be close. |
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|  Terrible crowd for a very important televised Cup game. Sheffield got 1200 for a normal league game the week before. |
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Back to the OP , yes it was a poor crowd , I'm sure the management at Widnes were dissapointed with it , but unfortunatley it seems to be the norm for cup matches were everybody pays , especially televised ones
As has been pointed out earlier , the Vikings are just treading water for the last 10 months and will do the same for the next 12 , they will get a SL place in 2012 , if they dont then nobody will be under any doubt as to how ' bent ' the franchise system is
When they do take their SL place they will get crowds better than 3/4 current SL clubs , it will be interesting to see what sort of attendances the club that comes down from SL get in the championship and the NRC in 2012
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| Quote ="spooneryork"icon_smile.gif Terrible crowd for a =#FF0000very important televised Cup game. Sheffield got 1200 for a normal league game the week before.'"
Obviously not , both these clubs have already achieved what is really very important |
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| Quote ="Starbug"When they do take their SL place they will get crowds better than 3/4 current SL clubs , it will be interesting to see what sort of attendances the club that comes down from SL get in the championship and the NRC in 2012'"
They would get better crowds than some SL teams but 3/4?? I think not. That would mean they'd be averaging 10,000+.
I'm still not convinced that a SL club will go down. If that happened, the first thing that would happen is that the relegated club would take the RFL to court as the decision would pretty much make the club insolvent.
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| Quote ="SRC"They would get better crowds than some SL teams but 3/4?? I think not. That would mean they'd be averaging 10,000+.
I'm still not convinced that a SL club will go down. If that happened, the first thing that would happen is that the relegated club would take the RFL to court as the decision would pretty much make the club insolvent.
It's going to be a real mess and a PR disaster for the sport.'"
Not true. 4th lowest average home SL attendance so far this season (excl tonight's games) = Crusaders 6,691. That's quite a way short of 10,000. |
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| Quote ="Starbug" the Vikings are just treading water for the last 10 months and will do the same for the next 12 , they will get a SL place in 2012 , if they dont then nobody will be under any doubt as to how ' bent ' the franchise system is
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| Quote ="SRC" If that happened, the first thing that would happen is that the relegated club would take the RFL to court as the decision would pretty much make the club insolvent.
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Why would it SRC ? They would have to cut their cloth accordingly thats all, massive shock to their system yes but insolvent nah. |
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| Quote ="mick wilson"Why would it SRC ? They would have to cut their cloth accordingly thats all, massive shock to their system yes but insolvent nah.'"
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Quote ="prehensile"Not true. 4th lowest average home SL attendance so far this season (excl tonight's games) = Crusaders 6,691. That's quite a way short of 10,000.'"
The original post said that Widnes would attract better crowds than 3/4 of SL clubs. As there are 14 teams in SL, that would mean they would be the 3rd or 4th best supported team in the comp. Currently (going from www.slstats.org/) ....
1. Wigan - 16,207
2. Leeds - 15,333
3. St Helens - 14,034
4. Hull - 13,599
5. Warrington - 11,143
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2002 - 6,510
2003 - 6,511
2004 - 6,153
2005 - 6,794
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The original post said that Widnes would attract better crowds than 3/4 of SL clubs. As there are 14 teams in SL, that would mean they would be the 3rd or 4th best supported team in the comp. Currently (going from www.slstats.org/) ....
1. Wigan - 16,207
2. Leeds - 15,333
3. St Helens - 14,034
4. Hull - 13,599
5. Warrington - 11,143
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2003 - 6,511
2004 - 6,153
2005 - 6,794
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| Quote ="SRC"3 years before being able to apply again would mean lost sponsors, £1M+ Sky cash etc etc. Are the 'threatened' =#FF0000SL clubs only offering 1 year contracts from now on ?? You can't pay many SL player contracts on £300K a year.'"
Doesn't really matter as SL contracts only apply if you are in SL , drop down and all contracts are null and void |
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| Quote ="SRC"They would get better crowds than some SL teams but =#FF00003/4?? I think not. That would mean they'd be averaging 10,000+.
I'm still not convinced that a SL club will go down. If that happened, the first thing that would happen is that the relegated club would take the RFL to court as the decision would pretty much make the club insolvent.
It's going to be a =#FF0000real mess and a PR disaster for the sport.'"
Slight missunderstanding , you read it as 3 quarters of SL clubs , I was implying 3 or 4 clubs currently in SL , as for the 2 nd highlighted bit , I totally agree |
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| Quote ="mick wilson"Ridiculous in the extreme, a lot can happen in the next 18 months + may be best suited club or clubs on the day get the nod
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The SL applications have to be in November this year, with the decision day being spring 2011. As Starbug says, we're probably only 10 months away from hearing who gets the nod from the Championship. I believe they will announce the 'winning' Championship club(s) 1st and then the SL club(s) who are to be relegated get announced at a later date. The reason being that 1st of all it gives the Championship club enough time to prepare and also if a SL club was told they were getting ditched in April/May, it would be unrealistic to expect them compete right to the end of the season.
As for the SL application - I believe a Championship club has to average 2,500 or more to statisfy the minimum standards regarding attendance. Looking at the RLfans Championship stats page, Widnes are the only team to stasify this criteria. In fact if the RFL do what they did last time and look back at the previous 3 years, they will see that Widnes are the only Championship team that have ever satisfied this criteria. |
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Quote ="SRC"The original post said that Widnes would attract better crowds than 3/4 of SL clubs. As there are 14 teams in SL, that would mean they would be the 3rd or 4th best supported team in the comp. Currently (going from www.slstats.org/) ....
1. Wigan - 16,207
2. Leeds - 15,333
3. St Helens - 14,034
4. Hull - 13,599
5. Warrington - 11,143
Widnes crowds in SL ...
2002 - 6,510
2003 - 6,511
2004 - 6,153
2005 - 6,794
I've no doubt they'd better those crowds from the last spell in SL they'd get nowhere near 10,000.'"
This thread is getting nowhere !
Who cares ?
Put some of the lower SL clubs in the Championship and watch them struggle. Widnes, Leigh and Fax have a solid fanbase and thats a credit to them. Barrow are doing fine, but some have jumped on the bandwagon in the last 3 years, and Fev has always had 1500 loyal supporters.
If Widnes want SL, then fine. I feel they deserve it as for me they are quite easily a top 8 club.
Widnes' attendances will be 8000+ easily if they are to be competative. The Wire match alone will be 12000+.
Next season is going to be fun with the big shadow of doubt against 1 SL club guarenteed not to get a Franchise.
As a Leigh fan, I cannot be bothered with SL yet. The infrastructure is there but the team isn't, but averaging nearly 5k when watching your team get spanked week in and week out was very commendable when we were in SL. It almost killed our club, and I really fear for the lower clubs currently in SL.
Good luck to Widnes. They deserve it.
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1. Wigan - 16,207
2. Leeds - 15,333
3. St Helens - 14,034
4. Hull - 13,599
5. Warrington - 11,143
Widnes crowds in SL ...
2002 - 6,510
2003 - 6,511
2004 - 6,153
2005 - 6,794
I've no doubt they'd better those crowds from the last spell in SL they'd get nowhere near 10,000.'"
This thread is getting nowhere !
Who cares ?
Put some of the lower SL clubs in the Championship and watch them struggle. Widnes, Leigh and Fax have a solid fanbase and thats a credit to them. Barrow are doing fine, but some have jumped on the bandwagon in the last 3 years, and Fev has always had 1500 loyal supporters.
If Widnes want SL, then fine. I feel they deserve it as for me they are quite easily a top 8 club.
Widnes' attendances will be 8000+ easily if they are to be competative. The Wire match alone will be 12000+.
Next season is going to be fun with the big shadow of doubt against 1 SL club guarenteed not to get a Franchise.
As a Leigh fan, I cannot be bothered with SL yet. The infrastructure is there but the team isn't, but averaging nearly 5k when watching your team get spanked week in and week out was very commendable when we were in SL. It almost killed our club, and I really fear for the lower clubs currently in SL.
Good luck to Widnes. They deserve it.
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SL isnt big enough to exclude a club as good as widnes
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"is it surprising with seemingly nothing to play for? Take a look at the crowds of the equivalent in Oz, NSW cup and Q'land cup are lucky to get 1000, and some get a 100.
If there was automatic promotion (not that I agree there should be) and Widnes were challenging they would be up around the 3,000 I'm sure.'"
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Terrible crowd for a very important televised Cup game. Sheffield got 1200 for a normal league game the week before.
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