Can't wait for the fixtures to come out, hopefully we can find a way to make it work for a trip over there like me and my mates did with Catalans in the early days. New city, new place and new atmosphere to sample - bring it on I say. Don't think I speak for many of my fellow Trinity fans though......

You'll think so if you get wrapped up in the loop fixtures.

Considering what the rfl allowed them to spend in others divisions I’m thinking there salary cap could or should be around £4m

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Ridiculous allegation. You just cannot stop denigrating the best thing to happen to northern hemisphere rugby league, and global expansion of the game, in decades.

They were only allowed to spend the same as other teams in the same division as I understand it

What do know jean, your the one who said Luke gale hadn’t signed for Leeds when I told you he had, you plonker

It’s well documented about a certain Toronto been on ove £400,000 a year, you obviously don’t watch rugby either, yet another plonker haha

Go on then: what are Toronto bringing that Catalans have failed to?

I am aware of that (thought he was on more actually), however my understanding was that Toronto had the same salary cap spend (plus slight variations due to exchange rates) as other SL and Champ clubs

Well you are wrong and work it out if they had the same salary cap as Super League clubs how an earth would that make them the same cap as Championship sides

Champ teams are allowed the same salary cap as SL teams are they not, providing they can meet the revenue criteria - pretty sure we at Leigh were towards the full cap last season, believe it or not

To say the likes of Wigan, St Helens and Castleford mean nothing to the Canadians can equally apply to St George, Parramatta and Wests Tigers.
How many people over hear knew where Oakland Raiders played when the NFL first started on Channel 4.
If people have an interest they'll find out regardless.

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They're not bringing anything anything new to "the game". They are actually receiving something new to the city of Toronto. They have yet to provide the game with a financial benefit, homegrown canadian players, canadian coahces, canadian grassroots clubs e.t.c. What they have provided is huge salaries for other super league players to have a nice little holiday and earn some coin whilst playing uncompetitive games against teams with far less financial might.

Toronto bring nothing to the game in the UK or Super League that any other Super League club could not bring if they had some rich sugar daddy running them. This isn't "expansion". This is a Super League clubs becoming rich men's play things until they get bored. The Canadian Koukash one might say.

A nice little point made there A_H.

Canadian fans. As of now there are thousands of them. In the future there may be at least tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Canadian fans if the club gets a good television contract.

And who knows, maybe some young Canadian players will emerge as well, to be led in the Canadian national team by the young NRL experienced half back Ryley Jacks?

I didn't say that Lucas Gale had not signed for Leeds. I merely demanded your source for that information, which you could not provide, in lieu of which I speculated that you may have been fabricating the story.

You shouldn’t need to question facts, I mearly posted it to let everyone no, not to be investigated

Will all these thousands of Toronto fans be provided with a umbrella when attending matches at the Lamport Stadium?

They’re bringing 9,000 new fans and a wider media profile through more tv deals.

Which clubs currently provide the game with a financial benefit?
You expect Championship or SL standard Canadian players and coaches in the space of 3 years? Which Championship clubs consistently provide these players? Featherstone for instance had what, 4?, homegrown players in their 17 vs Toronto. And Fev are better than most Championship clubs at producing players.

So if this could happen at any UK super league club, why hasn’t it? Maybe these rich sugar daddies don’t see much potential in most of the UK clubs but do in a new side based in a big city with all the potential that has to offer?

I will challenge that as they are clearly bringing something new.

8 - 10 new fans from a virgin market place.
Broadcast of rl in an entirely new market place.

I'm not sure what your expectations are in terms of new players and coaches, but it's not like rugby league players are just loitering around the world ready to play when a super league team turns up. It takes at least a generation to generate your own talent. There are ways of short cutting this by taking talent from other sports and retraining them. But if you are expecting 8-10 year old who may have first picked up a rugby ball in Canada 2 seasons ago to now be the core of the Canadian team then you will be disappointed.

Saints and Wigan and Leeds produce loads of youth each and every year and maybe 1 or 2 make then grade every couple of years. So if in 10 years time the wolf pack has 2 or 3 homegrown players in their squad they will be doing as well as top SL teams and better than some others.

As for providing huge salarys for SL players, you have by your own words indicated that they have by defacto boosted SL from a 12 team league to show iit can maintain 13 full time professional teams of similar standing.

I do question the longer term structure and strategy, for example how will they grow their youth set up if they are the only rl team, their youth need a local competition. But this may already being addressed.

But have they expanded the game, yes they have. Whether it is something that can be maintained over 10-20 years is another matter.

Juse think in 10 to 20 yrs time we might be talking about Toronto in the same Breath has Paris another failure or in the same Breath has Catalan

Quote ="Someday"Juse think in 10 to 20 yrs time we might be talking about Toronto in the same Breath has Paris another failure or in the same Breath has Catalan'" Yep the future is uncertain, the difference for new entry teams is that if it does not work in the top flight they have a harder time sustaining at a lower league. Plenty of traditional rl clubs have also failed either on the field or financially. So it's not limited to new entrants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ague_clubs

Quote ="Someday"Juse think in 10 to 20 yrs time we might be talking about Toronto in the same Breath has Paris another failure or in the same Breath has Catalan'" Yep the future is uncertain, the difference for new entry teams is that if it does not work in the top flight they have a harder time sustaining at a lower league. Plenty of traditional rl clubs have also failed either on the field or financially. So it's not limited to new entrants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ague_clubs

Quote ="bewareshadows"Yep the future is uncertain, the difference for new entry teams is that if it does not work in the top flight they have a harder time sustaining at a lower league. Plenty of traditional rl clubs have also failed either on the field or financially. So it's not limited to new entrants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ague_clubs'" It would have been great if all those clubs had survived we might have been bigger then football we will never know

Quote ="bewareshadows"Yep the future is uncertain, the difference for new entry teams is that if it does not work in the top flight they have a harder time sustaining at a lower league. Plenty of traditional rl clubs have also failed either on the field or financially. So it's not limited to new entrants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ague_clubs'" It would have been great if all those clubs had survived we might have been bigger then football we will never know

Is it possible for Toronto lovers not to type the words TV DEAL ? How about typing the words 'Grass Roots Rugby/Canadian Juniors & Academy set up' instead....whoops !