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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Talk of how bad this years dream team by some, had me looking back to a couple of years ago 2014. Is it going to be much worse than this lot?
Full-back: Zak Hardaker (Leeds Rhinos)
Wing: Ryan Hall (Leeds Rhinos)
Centre: Michael Shenton (Castleford Tigers)
Centre: Kallum Watkins (Leeds Rhinos)
Wing: Tommy Makinson (St Helens)
Stand-off: Kevin Brown (Widnes Vikings)
Scrum-half: Matty Smith (Wigan Warriors)
Prop: Jamie Peacock (Leeds Rhinos)
Hooker: Daryl Clark (Castleford Tigers)
Prop: Chris Hill (Warrington Wolves)
Second Row: Elliott Whitehead (Catalan Dragons)
Second Row: Carl Ablett (Leeds Rhinos)
Loose forward: Sean O’Loughlin (Wigan Warriors)
Or the 2013 team?
Sam Tomkins
Josh Charnley
Leroy Cudjoe
Ben Crooks
Tom Lineham
Danny Brough †
Matty Smith
Eorl Crabtree
Shaun Lunt
Jamie Peacock
Brett Ferres
Danny Kirmond
Sean O'Loughlin'"
Both are pretty good teams to be honest, especially in their respective seasons.
Though I don't think this season is any worse than any other season. It's just that some miserable sods teams aren't winning as easily anymore so we'll pretend the whole thing is rubbish. |
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Both Taylors mentioned over Amor and Walmsley? Give over.
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Quality of Players for the Dream team is poor these days. 10 out of the 13 below played in the same seasons these individual players nominated the most (*) for there team position.
Paul Wellens (4)
Jason Robinson (5)
Gary Connolly (3)
Keith Senior (5)
Ryan Hall (4)
Danny McQuire (3)
Rob Burrow (3)
James Graham (4)
James Roby (5)
Jamie Peacock (11)
Gareth Ellis (4)
Ben Westwood (4)
Andrew Farrell (6)
Quality players who didn't get on the list but played in a couple of those seasons: Fielden, Long, Lyon, Sculthorpe, Barret, Cunningham, Newton, Lam, Briers.
I don,t think any of todays players could dislodge any of that list from the ultimate dream team.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Both Taylors mentioned over Amor and Walmsley? Give over.'"
Do you mean Scott Taylor? Him and Hill easily the best two props this year, outplayed them both in three games this year, watch the cup game again and compare them all.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Both Taylors mentioned over Amor and Walmsley? Give over.'"
we're talking a whole season here not just the last few games |
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| Quote ="McClennan"Both Taylors mentioned over Amor and Walmsley? Give over.'"
Yes you better.
Taylor for fc been stand out all season |
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It wasn't that long ago that Saints fans were having a go at Amor and Walmsley. Scott Taylor has been fantastic for Hull and has been the best prop in SL.
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"It wasn't that long ago that Saints fans were having a go at Amor and Walmsley. Scott Taylor has been fantastic for Hull and has been the best prop in SL.'"
Stats are showing Amor and Walmsley far superior when it comes to Tackle Busts, Metres Made and Offloads (Prop Work) and doing hard yards in a very poor team. Taylor is better in defence and is playing well in a very good team. |
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Don't think he should be considered for the dream team, but Segeyaro has been very good when I have seen him play. No coincidence Leeds' upturn in form coincided with his signing.'"
Fully agree. Take Matty Smith out of our team and stick this guy in would be a massive improvement in 'go forward'. |
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| Quote ="the artist"we're talking a whole season here not just the last few games'"
You can exclude their last game too. Did they even play? |
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Stats are showing Amor and Walmsley far superior when it comes to Tackle Busts, Metres Made and Offloads (Prop Work) and doing hard yards in a very poor team. Taylor is better in defence and is playing well in a very good team.'"
I'd take watts or taylor over amor every day of the week and walmsley is a shadow of the player he was last year. Hull have the luxury of decent quality on the bench hence taylor and watts play less minutes than their saints counterparts. Taylor's average metres gained per carry is significantly more than either of them |
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I'd take watts or taylor over amor every day of the week and walmsley is a shadow of the player he was last year. Hull have the luxury of decent quality on the bench hence taylor and watts play less minutes than their saints counterparts. Taylor's average metres gained per carry is significantly more than either of them'"
Walmsley is not playing to his potential and I suspect Taylor is playing to full potential due to good workload balance with the Hull team.
Taylor: 2580 metres, 40 tackle busts and 8 offloads. (playing very well)
Walmsley: 3246 metres, 61 tackle busts and 26 offloads. (playing average) |
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Walmsley is not playing to his potential and I suspect Taylor is playing to full potential due to good workload balance with the Hull team.
Taylor: 2580 metres, 40 tackle busts and 8 offloads. (playing very well)
Walmsley: 3246 metres, 61 tackle busts and 26 offloads. (playing average)'"
If you are going to use stats, then you need to use them all, his meters are only more as he takes more drives, Taylor's average gain is better is far better from Taylor than both, more tackles and less misses than both.
Also Taylor has given away 6 pens, compared to amor 15 and Walmsley 17.
So Walmsley is better at breaking tackles and offloading, but Taylor makes more metres per run and is a far better disciplined defender.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Stats are showing Amor and Walmsley far superior when it comes to Tackle Busts, Metres Made and Offloads (Prop Work) and doing hard yards in a very poor team. Taylor is better in defence and is playing well in a very good team.'"
Taylor has more tackle busts than Amor |
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| Quote ="Dave K."
So Walmsley is better at breaking tackles and offloading, but Taylor makes more metres per run and is a far better disciplined defender.
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But if Walmsley is offloading 4 times as much as Taylor then surely its probable that some of the players he offloads to is adding extra metres per tackle. Yes Taylor is a much better defender because Hull are a well organised team, Saints have been poor in this department.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"
Walmsley is a great prop, but was disappointing at the start of the year, was getting critism from own fans, I want my props to do more than just offload, over the season Taylor has been a better prop and deserves to be on the Dream Team this year.
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Solomona
Atkins
Gelling
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Williams
Gale
Hill
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Walmsley is not playing to his potential and I suspect Taylor is playing to full potential due to good workload balance with the Hull team.
Taylor: 2580 metres, 40 tackle busts and 8 offloads. (playing very well)
Walmsley: 3246 metres, 61 tackle busts and 26 offloads. (playing average)'"
If taylor was flogged every week like walmsley is then he'd be streets ahead but he doesn't need to be.
Like I said, walmsley was quality last year but is miles off that form this year. hill and taylor are the best 2 props in SL this season |
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| Quote ="Dave K."Shaul
Solomona
Atkins
Gelling
Manfrani
Williams
Gale
Hill
Houghton
Taylor
Currie
Stewert
Ellis'"
Manfredi hasn't been the best winger at Wigan this year never mind top 2 in SL. Gelling and Williams spent too much time on the sidelines to be considered. |
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Turner?
Gale/Sneyd
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Houghton
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Minichiello
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Shaul has dropped off recently and struggling to name the best 6 this season. Minichiello has been unreal again this season, although I think he'll miss out.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Quality of Players for the Dream team is poor these days. 10 out of the 13 below played in the same seasons these individual players nominated the most (*) for there team position.
Paul Wellens (4)
Jason Robinson (5)
Gary Connolly (3)
Keith Senior (5)
Ryan Hall (4)
Danny McQuire (3)
Rob Burrow (3)
James Graham (4)
James Roby (5)
Jamie Peacock (11)
Gareth Ellis (4)
Ben Westwood (4)
Andrew Farrell (6)
Quality players who didn't get on the list but played in a couple of those seasons: Fielden, Long, Lyon, Sculthorpe, Barret, Cunningham, Newton, Lam, Briers.
I don,t think any of todays players could dislodge any of that list from the ultimate dream team.'"
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| Quote ="Dave K."Shaul
Solomona
Atkins
Gelling
Manfrani
Williams
Gale
Hill
Houghton
Taylor
Currie
Stewert
Ellis'"
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Shaul
Solomona
Atkins
Fonua
Broughton
Williams
Sandow
Hill
Houghton
Taylor
Currie
Bateman
Cahill
The team will probably include half the Wigan team, a couple of pity picks from Warrington Saints and Hull and Kevin Sinfield.
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Oh. and Sean O'Laughlin will be nailed on for loose forward after them blinding 3 games he had.
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