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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Nah, Charnley is a professional. It is incumbent on him to control himself enough not to be grabbing a referee.
Amateur refs dont have 15 camera's there to decode whether the player grabbed them aggressively or passively, whether it was a grab or a punch, a barge or a push, the level of contact, the level of aggression. They are protected by the idea touching them is strictly prohibited, no if, buts or maybes, a strict liability offence. '"
Indeed, so a harsher punishment then than in the pro game where intent and seriousness can be judged? And of course in the pro game the referee is, ultimately, safe. If a pro player went crazy and tried to assault a ref he would be restrained and the ref would be protected by other players and officials. That isn't the case in the amateur game.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Giving Charnley a slap on the wrist destroys that. I think its crazy to expect that minimising the punishment at pro level wont send out a message of increasing acceptability.'"
I don't think it's crazy at all. Amateur players don't look at what happens in SL disciplinary meetings and think "oh well I won't do this" or "I will do that". It's the discipline in the amateur game that deters or encourages behaviour.
As I said, we have different expectations of the players because they are playing for different reasons and in a very different context. That's why we shouldn't punish a fight at pro level as harshly as one at amateur level.
But the point is that the pro game disciplinary should be there for the pro game, not as a way of attempting to regulate the amateur game. That's what the amateur game disciplinary is for. The 2 are very different beasts and the biggest single issue with the amateur game is that far, far too many people in it attempt to liken it to the pro game.
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| Quote ="Him"Indeed, so a harsher punishment then than in the pro game where intent and seriousness can be judged? And of course in the pro game the referee is, ultimately, safe. If a pro player went crazy and tried to assault a ref he would be restrained and the ref would be protected by other players and officials. That isn't the case in the amateur game. '" indeed. There is no record for an amateur ref. A player could of course deny it. So could his team-mates and mates in the crowd. He could claim the referee is massively over-reacting, that it was accidental. He could forward a million and one mitigating circumstances that can't be disproven.
Quote I don't think it's crazy at all. Amateur players don't look at what happens in SL disciplinary meetings and think "oh well I won't do this" or "I will do that". It's the discipline in the amateur game that deters or encourages behaviour.
As I said, we have different expectations of the players because they are playing for different reasons and in a very different context. That's why we shouldn't punish a fight at pro level as harshly as one at amateur level.
But the point is that the pro game disciplinary should be there for the pro game, not as a way of attempting to regulate the amateur game. That's what the amateur game disciplinary is for. The 2 are very different beasts and the biggest single issue with the amateur game is that far, far too many people in it attempt to liken it to the pro game.'"
The pro game is highest and most visible aspect of our game. it is the part of the game which shows the world what type of game we want to be, and im comfortable that the game we want to be is one where idiots cannot take out their frustrations on referees.
Also, i have no issues with amateurs getting more but it maks no sense for a 4-6 game punishment at amateur level to be a sinbinning at pro level
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"
Also, i have no issues with amateurs getting more but it maks no sense for a 4-6 game punishment at amateur level to be a sinbinning at pro level'"
I think it does make sense when you separate the 2. We almost have to think of the 2 (the amateur and the pro game) as 2 different sports. They have (or should have) very different priorities, expectations, risks etc.
In that case I think it seems reasonable to have very different punishment levels, I also think it (seperate it from the pro game) is something we have to do if we want to get the most out of the amateur game.
I agree with everything else you put though.
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| Both Tautai and Charnley appealed.
Tautai's ban reduced to one game, Charnley's appeal rejected.
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| Quote ="old frightful"Both Tautai and Charnley appealed.
Tautai's ban reduced to one game, Charnley's appeal rejected.'"
Do Wigan ever accept the original decision? They seem to appeal every verdict
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| The RFL don't like Wigan , Charnley's ban not being reduced terrible , won't be able to field a team next week !
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Do Wigan ever accept the original decision? They seem to appeal every verdict'"
No and why not ?
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Do Wigan ever accept the original decision? They seem to appeal every verdict'"
Can't blame them. Why shouldn't they appeal?
It's the spineless cowards at the RFL who are to blame. Far too often recently have we seen things changed, downgraded,overturned,etc. Just make a decision and stick to it.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Do Wigan ever accept the original decision? They seem to appeal every verdict'"
You don't ask you don't get.
Wouldn't have grumbled had the Tautai appeal been turned down, I'm not a fan of those tackles.
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| So Tautai gets less than Charnley? I guess that benefits Hull.
These kind of tackles need to be stamped out. Sadly I think the RFL are waiting until someone's career is bonafide finished until they actually do something.
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| Quote ="Willzay"So Tautai gets less than Charnley? I guess that benefits Hull.
These kind of tackles need to be stamped out. Sadly I think the RFL are waiting until someone's career is bonafide finished until they actually do something.'"
It's bloody crazy. I don't know what they're fannying around at. It's an unnecessary tackle in the first place. Ban it and punish it harshly. It's pretty simple.
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| Open season again, might as well risk taking out the best player of the opposing team hedging your bets that you won't even get sin-binned (especially if Hicks is in charge) and opposing team down an interchange (Edit to add interchange player). Then as you can rely on the disciplinary to hand out any subsequent meaningful ban it's basically saying you can cheat/play dirty to win a game and we won't punish you for it.
Utterly clueless (again)
If we can get Washbrook to smash the fook out of Smith or Tomkins in the first 10-20 minutes on the 29th rendering them unable to play for the rest of the game then we can handle a one game ban no problem.
Handing out bans on the basis of the severity of the injury is a joke and completely illogical, intent as per the law trumps outcome, it's why attempted murder is much much more serious than manslaughter.
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| I bet Rangi Chase is thinking wish I could have signed for Wigan, "my banning time in the game could have been drastically reduced". Can't blame Wigan for trying it on with an RFL Disciplinary that has no protective welfare for players on the receiving end of foul play.
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| i cannot see the reasoning behind the decision to downgrade the ban. The description on the RFL site, was adamant that this was a a reckless challenge breaching certain rules. How can they go back on that decision?
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| Leaving aside it's a Wigan player for a moment...
I'd love to know what was said in the appeal to get the ban reduced. What new evidence or justification could there possibly be?
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| Playing Tautai will probably do the Pies more harm than good for the semi-final, however it does not condone the incompetence of the review panel.
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| Quote ="scarrie"Leaving aside it's a Wigan player for a moment...
I'd love to know what was said in the appeal to get the ban reduced. What new evidence or justification could there possibly be?'"
Well on the website it states 'they are friends off the pitch'
Apparently Tautai pointed the disciplinary to a Facebook post from Cuthbertson that Tautai liked, and that was enough to deem it not reckless
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Well on the website it states 'they are friends off the pitch'
Apparently Tautai pointed the disciplinary to a Facebook post from Cuthbertson that Tautai liked, and that was enough to deem it not reckless'"
That has to be a joke. Surely?
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Latest comments from the buffoon that is the Wigan coach
www.totalrl.com/wane-accuses-lee ... y-process/
This from the coach of a team who appeals pretty much every decision the panel makes and quite often tries to influence the officials in the build up to games with comments about the opposition style of play.
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www.totalrl.com/wane-accuses-lee ... y-process/
This from the coach of a team who appeals pretty much every decision the panel makes and quite often tries to influence the officials in the build up to games with comments about the opposition style of play.
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| I think he has a point
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| Quote ="MattyB"You don't ask you don't get.
Wouldn't have grumbled had the Tautai appeal been turned down, I'm not a fan of those tackles.'"
Your coach doesn't seem too happy.
Whilst I agree with him about players trying to influence the ref, Wigan have plenty of their own players who do just the same.
Tomkins is as bad as any and Wilkin ,for Saints, isn't too far behind.
But, the original ban of 2 games for that tackle, which could have put the player out for the season, is not exactly harsh.
It's time that ref's, being pressured by players over various decisions, started marching teams back 10 metres.
It would instantly stop the "football style" complaining from players.
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| Agreed Wrencat now you mention i cant recall the last time i saw that happen, it used to be a regular thing. The game is a complete joke at the moment. How this can be reduced i have no idea. RFL are not fit to run this sport only ruin it.
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| So clearly Wane coaches his players to perform that type of tackle or he wouldn't be so keen to defend it now.
Which just proves what an utter pr|ck he is.
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