I'm sure I recall Sinfield picking up MOM awards in the last series against NZ. I'm not sure how that constitutes "undenieably" going missing on the international stage.

I have nothing against Sinfield, but jes I was starting to get peeved that any Rhino's players where picked midway through the first half as about 20 Rhinos supporters decided to just cheer for the rhinos and sing Rhinos songs.

Thankfully halftime must have left their heads a little worse for wear.

Nothing wrong with Sinfield today. But I do question the point of a halfback on the bench. It's a waste of space. I'm a Saints fan and can see there is more sense having MM or Burrows on the bench to shift with Robes. Against the top sides switching Sinfield to dummy half will kill us.

Quote ="Cas Till I Die"It does make me laugh how some people find they must insult others who have a different opinion to them, behind a PC screen.....'" The problem is that those with a negative opinion of Sinfield have failed to back this up with any evidence. Since 2008 he has been in the Top 10 performers on the international stage. In fact, the only British player who has been better than him is James Graham. www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/austra ... 6494737540 ...but if it makes you happy, don't let the evidence get in the way of your prejudice.

Quote ="Cas Till I Die"It does make me laugh how some people find they must insult others who have a different opinion to them, behind a PC screen.....'" The problem is that those with a negative opinion of Sinfield have failed to back this up with any evidence. Since 2008 he has been in the Top 10 performers on the international stage. In fact, the only British player who has been better than him is James Graham. www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/austra ... 6494737540 ...but if it makes you happy, don't let the evidence get in the way of your prejudice.

Too slow for 6, 7 or 9. Too small for 13.

...and yet is somehow amongst the top 10 international performers since 2008!

He was MOM vs the Kiwis at the KC in the last Four Nations over here. But apparently that never happened...

His goal kicking needs to improve dramatically.

Thought he played with lead in his boots today. His best days are well behind him.

Quote ="django"The problem is that those with a negative opinion of Sinfield have failed to back this up with any evidence. Since 2008 he has been in the Top 10 performers on the international stage. In fact, the only British player who has been better than him is James Graham. www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/austra ... 6494737540 ...but if it makes you happy, don't let the evidence get in the way of your prejudice.'" Everyone has an opinion, my point was if you were discussing RL waiting for a train or at the pub and you called the person a 'f***wit' etc. for having a different opinion then you should expect a right hook, so why do it behind a laptop screen ??? FWIW I'd have Sinfield in my team all day long, not because he's an amazing world class player because he isn't he's a great domestic player who is the best we have got. It's ridiculous how touchy Leeds are on the issue tbh because as I say it's hardly like he has been amazing for us throughout his international career.

Quote ="django"The problem is that those with a negative opinion of Sinfield have failed to back this up with any evidence. Since 2008 he has been in the Top 10 performers on the international stage. In fact, the only British player who has been better than him is James Graham. www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/austra ... 6494737540 ...but if it makes you happy, don't let the evidence get in the way of your prejudice.'" Everyone has an opinion, my point was if you were discussing RL waiting for a train or at the pub and you called the person a 'f***wit' etc. for having a different opinion then you should expect a right hook, so why do it behind a laptop screen ??? FWIW I'd have Sinfield in my team all day long, not because he's an amazing world class player because he isn't he's a great domestic player who is the best we have got. It's ridiculous how touchy Leeds are on the issue tbh because as I say it's hardly like he has been amazing for us throughout his international career.

When Sinfield went off and Widdop called the strings from the halves our game speeded up immensly.

We had the same near us. They're a strange bunch 'some' of the Leeds fans.

As for the Sinfield debate, I think he's got it in him to control a game from 6 for England 'if' he has the right partner alongside him and that man isn't Chase.

The ideal partner for Sinfield is Tomkins imo, a player with a supreme running game who will put doubt in the opposition mind and be allowed a free reign by Sinfield's organisational skills. We can then put another excellent attacking weapon in Hardaker at fullback and really take the game to anyone. I also wouldn't mind Widdop alongside him as he can mix his game up but Chase just isn't up to standard.

But Mcbanana doesn't want his 6 to have a free reign, that's the thing. He wants absolute structure with no off the cuff play, bringing in Tomkins to 6 doesn't really change much with this rigid structure does it..

Hmm! Wigan, Bradford and Cas fans? The holy trinity of impartiality when it comes to Leeds! Forgive me for rendering your opinions inconsequential. Like someone already stated there's far more qualified opinions freely available in various media outlets. I prefer to take in the opinions of people who know what they are talking about. Thanks anyway!

Agree with that. I like Chase (his sometimes sh|thouse tackling aside) but in my opinion if you have Chase in your team, to use him properly, you need to build the team around him and almost every play has to go through him.

I'd rather see Widdop given a full game at 6 and see what he can do alongside Sinfield. I also like the thought of Tomkins with his hands on the ball more often at 6 and Hardaker at 1.

Theres nothing wrong with the structure england attack with it, as long as the halves take on the defence sometimes as well.

Unless you want a return to the rudderless, flat footed headless chicken attack england have always had before.

Look at the first try against australia at cardiff. It was structured play which isolated defenders, and created an overlap for hall. Australia have been scoring tries like that against us for years. Roby, sinfield and chase all combined well for that try.

I think some people on here think the halves are supposed to sh*t miracles and run rigns around the defence all the time. Not even the likes of thurston do that.

Talking about half-backs, that English lad playing for Scotland is doing alright isn't he?

You mean like Jamie Peacock?? Might just be me but a lot of the media were saying they didn't think Sinfield should be playing 6.

Hmmmm Leeds fans commenting on Sinfield, impartial defined !!!!



Ill state this again, it's not that I think Sinfield is a bad player and is the best we have but it's not like he is anywhere near world class. If Sinfield was Australian how many caps would he have ??? Maybe 3 u21 ones ???

Compared to all the other english players who would have numerous caps for australia at half back

Eh? Not sure where you think I've said the structure we have is a particularly bad thing, my sole point was in response to someone saying Tomkins should be at 6, moving him there isn't going to change things because of the structured plan we have, in fact I'd say it weakens us.

I struggle to see the relevance ??? My point is KS isn't world class and your reply is that I'm wrong because other English halves aren't world class ???

We posted 20 points against the Aussies in game one despite having very little of the ball or field position in the second period.

We then put 30 on Ireland in as many minutes in the second game, before cruising to victory.

I fail to see what is wrong with this current structure.Our main concern should be cutting out silly errors and penalty's in the wrong area of the field.Do that and we we won't be far away.

The relevance is that it doesnt really matter whether hes World Class or not if he is the best we have!

So you not read my input in the thread before posting then no ???

When did I say you were wrong?

It was you who spoke about how he wouldn't get in the australian national team so I think it's perfectly relevant to discuss which other english half backs would do, who do you think was the last english half back who was good enough to play for them?