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| With me being circumcised, does that make me less of a man, therefore not counted towards the attendence, or does it just make me a lot 'cleaner'?
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"With me being circumcised, does that make me less of a man, therefore not counted towards the attendence, or does it just make me a lot 'cleaner'?'"
Less of a man.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"
I am so looking forward to seeing 180,000 people packed into a 90,000 seat stadium for the semi-finals
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Why? There's 2 games going on at that stadium. There'll be 90,000 for one game, and 90,000 for another.
In the same way Twickenham managed to hold 62,637 people for London Irish v Saracens and 62,637 people for Wasps v Harlequins. The last time I looked Twickenham didn't have a capacity of 125,000.
And in the same way when there's been a dual code double header at Headingley. There was 12,015 for the Union game and 12,015 for the League game.
2 games. 2 attendances. Simples.
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| You charge people for 2 games. The Wembley semi tickets cost £40. People aren't paying £40 for one game! I chose to pay £20 for each game so count me twice.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Personally, I would only count the MS attendance once rather than over two games. You can't exactly buy a ticket for just the one game. It's like saying the attendance for the Magic Weekend was 210,000.
When working out the average however, I wouldn't include the Wales game at all (or the England game, whichever way you prefer!). They were both part of the same event. It would be wrong to say 90,000 watched both and wrong to say 22,500 watched each. So just take one game out and class it as a single event.
So I'd go with the average being...
Eng vs Aus / Wal vs Ita - 45,052
PNG vs Fra - 7,481
NZ vs Sam - 14,965
Ire vs Fij - 8,872
Total - 76,370
Average (based on 4 events) - 19,093'"
so your World Cup average is only going to include 26 of the 28 games played and will pretend that 2 games simply didnt happen? We are going to pretend that Italy and Wales played one less game than they did and that for what is likley to be the first time in history we have invented a structure in which 4 teams play in 1 semi-final?
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| TBF, the RFL should have predicted this thread and cleared everyone out of the Millennium at the end of the England game then let them back in.
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| Quote ="Chris28"TBF, the RFL should have predicted this thread and cleared everyone out of the Millennium at the end of the England game then let them back in.'"
Personally i blame Kevin Sinfield,
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| Only in rugby league would you get "supporters" of the game arguing over semantics in an attempt to make average attendances for a major tournament look smaller.
Some people just don't want the sport to be a success at anything.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Only in rugby league would you get "supporters" of the game arguing over semantics in an attempt to make average attendances for a major tournament look smaller.
Some people just don't want the sport to be a success at anything.'"
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Only in rugby league would you get "supporters" of the game arguing over semantics in an attempt to make average attendances for a major tournament look smaller.
Some people just don't want the sport to be a success at anything.'"
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| Has this crap hijacked this thread too?
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| Two people, both Hull FC fans, seem to agree with Andy's comments.
Or if you're gutterfax, I assume it's just classed as one.
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| Quote ="WireFanatic III"Two people, both Hull FC fans, seem to agree with Andy's comments.
Or if you're gutterfax, I assume it's just classed as one.'"
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To me this became a debate about semantics. Some people arguing over averages for events, others for games. In the end I got tired of it, so if your discussing averages do it here, I don't imagine it will be very popular, once people have an option to avoid it.
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To me this became a debate about semantics. Some people arguing over averages for events, others for games. In the end I got tired of it, so if your discussing averages do it here, I don't imagine it will be very popular, once people have an option to avoid it.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"You charge people for 2 games. The Wembley semi tickets cost £40. People aren't paying £40 for one game! I chose to pay £20 for each game so count me twice.'"
No you didn't. You can't choose to pay for each game, it's not your choice. You can either pay for both or neither.
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| I'd missed that people had took to arguing averages elsewhere.
I can't watch it all day, but if I find em, I'll move em.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"so your World Cup average is only going to include 26 of the 28 games played and will pretend that 2 games simply didnt happen? We are going to pretend that Italy and Wales played one less game than they did and that for what is likley to be the first time in history we have invented a structure in which 4 teams play in 1 semi-final?'"
Is this all you do now? Create exaggerated strawman arguments to argue with?
There's no point in arguing with that as you know full well that isn't what I said.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"
Discussions of games attended are only relevent if you can buy for each game. Obviously we can't so you can't do an average per game, it has to be an average per event, when comparing with previous years.'"
It's good to see that despite not seeing your post at all until you merged the threads, we've come to the same agreement (see my post earlier).
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| I still say you buy a ticket for an event.
Plenty of clubs play academy games as a warm up to a match. You don't have to play extra to watch the academy, it's all part of the same event.
It's either a 26 event competition or a 28 game competition.
You either count the total number at each event and divide by the number of events.
Or you count the total number watching each game and divide by the total number of games.
You don't in any world of maths take the total at each event and divide by the number of games.
Or the total at each game and divide by the number of events.
If there are games at half time are we going to include those in the mix too. Jes!
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"No you didn't. You can't choose to pay for each game, it's not your choice. You can either pay for both or neither.'"
And he chose to pay for both, Not one, not the other, not neither but both. He bought a ticket for two things, not one thing, not zero things, but two things.
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| Quote ="WireFanatic III"Two people, both Hull FC fans, seem to agree with Andy's comments.
Or if you're gutterfax, I assume it's just classed as one.'"
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"And he chose to pay for both, Not one, not the other, not neither but both. He bought a ticket for two things, not one thing, not zero things, but two things.'"
He bought a ticket for one event that included two games. He did not have a choice to pay for one game or they other. People that only had the intention of watching one game didn't have the choice to pay half price, so it can't be argued that you can pay £20 for one and £20 for the other.
It's one event.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Is this all you do now? Create exaggerated strawman arguments to argue with?
There's no point in arguing with that as you know full well that isn't what I said.'"
Is this what you do know? Dance around facts that don’t agree with you and pretend they are straw men?
You are ignoring the Wales V Italy game. You are not including it in your dataset. The same with the 2nd semi-final. Your dataset would show there were only 26 samples, yet we know there will be 28 games. It would show that whilst we knew there were 4 teams at the semi-final stage and 2 at the end of the semi-final stage only 1 game was played.
There is no straw man, no exaggeration it is actually what you are doing, choosing to strip out 2 samples from your data because you don’t like the results.
I can show you that right now, 5 games have been played and I can provide you with the 5 attendances for those games. Can you provide any evidence whatsoever to counteract the reported fact that over 45k people attended the England v Australia game and 45k people attended the Italy v Wales game?
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"He bought a ticket for one event that included two games. He did not have a choice to pay for one game or they other. People that only had the intention of watching one game didn't have the choice to pay half price, so it can't be argued that you can pay £20 for one and £20 for the other.
It's one event.'"
Would you go to Mcdonalds and buy a box of 6 chicken nuggets, someone asks you how many chicken nuggets do you have? do you open the box look at the 6 chicken nuggets in there and say “well I bought them together, I couldn’t buy them separately, they all came for one price, I couldn’t eat some leave come back and eat the rest, i couldnt pay for only part of them. I couldnt only buy 5 if i only intended to eat 5, I didnt buy them independantly so I guess I have 1 chicken nugget”?
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