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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Huddersfield play well, Brough looks good, Giants fans get a boner and acclaim him as the best half back in the competition.
When Huddersfield play badly and get bent over though, it's always another part of the team's fault. Brough is teflon to Giants fans, he can do no wrong even when he does.
Second half on Saturday he disappeared into a Giant sized hole with the wind against him. His kicks were poor, his passing game was haphazard.
Numerous international coaches for England and GB have looked at him and gone "no thanks". Clearly, they have seen something in his game that those fans clamouring for his selection haven't.'"
So what was Sinfields game like? In Leeds two
biggest games so far this year (CC against Hudds and the WCC) Sinfield has fine missing in both.
For all the England coaches that said no thanks to Brough, how successful were England?
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| You're seriously going to question Sinfield's performances in "big" games?
I'll let him have two bad ones, he's more than due after all the outstanding ones he's put in over the last 10 years.
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| Brough has actually played for England, and was pretty poor.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"You're seriously going to question Sinfield's performances in "big" games?
I'll let him have two bad ones, he's more than due after all the outstanding ones he's put in over the last 10 years.'"
This.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"You're seriously going to question Sinfield's performances in "big" games?
I'll let him have two bad ones, he's more than due after all the outstanding ones he's put in over the last 10 years.'"
Why not? People are questioning Wellens and he's had plenty of big games.
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| Quote ="PONNER"'"
I feel embarrassed for whoever took the time to make that.
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| Quote ="christopher"Brough has actually played for England, and was pretty poor.'"
Once, with the rest of the team being even worse
Sinfield has a track record of going AWOL for England
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| Except Sinfields record for England is no where near as bad as made out.
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| The problem with Sinfield is that he is the best captain in an England shirt but not the best player in either the 6 or 13 shirt. I would have Widdop as 6 and Sam or Lockers at 13 above Sinfield any day of the week. However he has to be fitted in somewhere.
Also how many Challenge Cup winners medals has Sinfield won?
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| Quote ="fatbaztod100"The problem with Sinfield is that he is the best captain in an England shirt but not the best player in either the 6 or 13 shirt. I would have Widdop as 6 and Sam or Lockers at 13 above Sinfield any day of the week. However he has to be fitted in somewhere.
Also how many Challenge Cup winners medals has Sinfield won?'"
The same amount as Sean O'Loughlin. He has also been awarded the Lance Todd award.
What was the point you were trying to make?
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| Quote ="pmack17"Surely this answer to this debate is as follows... England halfbacks to be...
No. 6 - Kevin Sinfield - Mr consistency with an excellent all round game + wonderful goal kicker + England Captain
No. 7 - Danny Brough - pace + flair + superb general kicking game
i.e the best of both worlds + both true Englishmen and send Kiwi Rangi Chase packing back to Australia (off to play in the NRL anyway by all accounts).'"
This
It also nullifies the problem of the Aussies knowing who to pressure on the last tackle every time, as we have two genuinely high class in play kickers there.
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| It really baffles me that people still consider Sinfield a loose forward. He's a half back.
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| As a Leeds fan I'd be happy to see Brough picked - providing he's playing as well when the WC comes around as he is now.
Based on previous years, I think that unlikely.
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| Quote ="pmack17"Surely this answer to this debate is as follows... England halfbacks to be...
No. 6 - Kevin Sinfield - Mr consistency with an excellent all round game + wonderful goal kicker + England Captain
No. 7 - Danny Brough - pace + flair + superb general kicking game
i.e the best of both worlds + both true Englishmen and send Kiwi Rangi Chase packing back to Australia (off to play in the NRL anyway by all accounts).'"
Yep .
That's the way I would go as well.
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| If Widdop is not a starter England deserve to fail.
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| I was going to make a compilation video of Sinfield's best bits to prove his worth to the England team but it only consisted of goal kicks...so I didn't bother.
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| Quote ="PONNER"I was going to make a compilation video of Sinfield's best bits to prove his worth to the England team but it only consisted of goal kicks...so I didn't bother.'"
England needs tactical kickers more than anything else, I am not sure if Sinfield is the man.
Some players have skill sets that combine to make them a definite choice, “The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.” to quote Aristotle, some teams are like that.
Kevin Sinfield IMO does not tick that box, Golden boot or not.
Pros,
Great Goal kicker
Great Captain and Leader, at SL Club level
Negatives,
"Solid" players do not cut it in the Halves at Test level, you have to be outstanding with pace and guile that can make something happen from nothing and make the opposition apprehensive on what you may do with the ball in your hands.
You can have a solid Winger or Lock, solid Halves lose more than they win.
Are Australia worried about what Sir Kev will do? Maybe they are.
Not quick enough to make defenses second guess his next move.
Never done much at Test level to take it to Australia.
General kicking at Test level not seen or up to scratch.
If he has not shone by now against Oz its unlikely he ever will.
Being made Captain of England was a badly thought out move that can only cause selection issues going forward.
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| Tall poppy syndrome is a very odd thing.
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| If we're leaving out players who "haven't shone against Australia" then it's going to be difficult for Ryan Hall to play the full game on his own.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"If we're leaving out players who "haven't shone against Australia" then it's going to be difficult for Ryan Hall to play the full game on his own.'"
I can put it in a Nutshell if you like.
Are Australia likely to be worried about facing the Golden Boot winner and the game he brings?
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"Sinfield is a winner though. Tried and tested. He somehow, by whatever means, drags his team over the finish line. See the grand final last year, without Sinfield, Warrington would have won that game.
I think his game all in all isn't as good as Brough (on a good day) Widdop or Myler, but you can't deny his pedigree.'"
I've never doubted Sinfield as a captain or clubman, far from it, he is one of the very best. However, he's not the sort of player who can turn a game on its head with moments of freak individual brilliance. His honors prove he's a winner but he's far from being an individual matchwinner.
I'd just like to see out and out creative half-backs for England, I'm not interested in how many tackles they're going to make, it just detracts from the job in hand.
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| I can answer my own question.
I doubt it.
Australia know Sinfields game and I doubt they worry one bit about it other than his Goal kicking and they will be thinking that 100% kicking rate will not be a deciding factor on the score line.
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| Quote ="Buggo"I can put it in a Nutshell if you like.
Are Australia likely to be worried about facing the Golden Boot winner and the game he brings?'"
They aren’t going to be scared of any of our half-backs so it’s a worthless question.
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| They'll be quaking in they're boots about Brough
Sarcasm aside why do people think we need 2 out and out creative halfbacks? We do need an organiser and Singield is the best we have.
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