"We are staying up" is about the fact that your club has earned the right to play in the top league for another season. Strictly speaking 2nd bottom in SL is a higher finish than top of NFP / NL1 / CC and both earned the right to play in SL.

The fact that a team was put in a position which meant that finishing second bottom was considered a remarkable achievement sums up everything that was wrong with automatic P&R. If there was no P&R, you wouldn't have been chanting 'We are second bottom'. It's no achievement, other than the fact that the old system of P&R was so illogical that finishing second bottom was actually a great result and massive overachievement for a promoted club.

Again, if a team's target is to avoid finishing bottom then there is something fundamentally wrong with the system. That aside, every team's goal should be to win their respective league, a Championship team earning promotion would have achieved that whereas a SL team avoiding relegation has simply avoided being the worst, they've still ultimately failed at their goal which should have been to finish as high as possible.

They were promoted the season before so do you think they should be realistically be aiming to win the league? I think any club would aim to stay in the league and slowly progress which they did

As Headhunter doesn't attend matches and get in and amongst the real fans it's no surprise that he posts crap like this. He has no clue. Typical armchair/Internet observer and all round general troll.

It does appear that Leeds have the monopoly on fans who are complete weapons.

No, that's not what I'm saying, the fact that there was a team in the league who's only realistic goal was to avoid being the worst team (and even that was a massive ask) is wrong. But as you said, I don't really have an issue with a newly promoted team chanting about staying up because that was their only real hope, and for them staying up was an achievement because of the massive odds stacked against them. For any other team to celebrate narrowly avoiding relegation is nonsense, I remember hearing Wigan fans chanting in 2006(?) which was just stupid.

Every team should hope to make progress in every season. If you win promotion one year and stay up the next then that's a higher finish than the previous season. I can't see why progress shouldn't be celebrated.

As a fan of a team that has both stayed up on the last day and also been relegated, I can say that staying up was a HUGE achievement and well worth celebrating especially when after relegation we were down for a few years and also almost stopped existing.

If you were a proper fan you'd know this.

The only chants which bother me are ones which have an overly aggressive element. Often started as sectarian chants at sporting events I'd rather not attend.

We've all heard them, and I groan when our lot starts one up. I've no desire to shoot anyone and rugby league fans are a good bunch in general so I wouldn't describe any set of fans as scum. There is playful rivalry which drives the sport and then there is a plain bad taste bad example.

Chants? are there any good ones?
Could not imagine Chanting anything to be honest.

How boring of you.

Of course, I get it now Headhunter. Without relegation no team can finish bottom! And we ALL get to celebrate at the end of the season. Well, those of us that go and understand what's going on. What rot

You should watch the Harlem Globetrotters and whip yourself into a frenzy over a true pointless exhibition team!

"we're leeeeeeeds rhi-nos, we're leeeeeeeds rhi-nos" sung soooooo slowly it near on sends me to sleep!

Why would I want to Chant anything?
It suggests mindless people.

i like the oldies

you're going home in a saint johns ambulance was always a a fav along with
"we paid for your hats, we paid for your haaaaaaaats, what a waste of council tax we paid for your hats" sang at numerous police around grounds

Any that involve a band
Any that either Hull side sing about each other when playing away at a team that isnt the other Hull side

And that damn god awful 'Bully, Bully' song. Or is it, 'Boolay Boolay'.

And ANY TRY MUSIC.

Not a chant, but the big-hand-clap that some fans do after a try is extremely irritating.

Not a chant, but the big-hand-clap that some fans do after a try is extremely irritating.

Did you read my post?

Couldn't agree more about the anti Hull chants when not playing the other Hull side. A group at HKR have started singing "We love East Hull" but it's not taken off like the moronic "We all hate Hull" one!

As for the post about chanting suggesting mindless people, well players seem to respond to a good atmosphere. Regardless of the quality of player in the World Club Challenge the other day, without the noise and atmosphere in Headingley I doubt we'd have got the same intensity and passion from either set of players.

You're not famous anymore.

Sung by opposition fans when beating Wigan

The 'You don't know what you're doing' and the slow hand clap are just ridiculous. Why fans waste their energy on these has always baffled me. Plus any club song sung at an England international. It gets on my nerves when two fans of one club try singing their club song. Why?

Widnes fans singing 'London's a sh**hole, i want to go home'. Unless they were the Marlow branch of Widnes fans this is painfully unwitting irony.