Maybe so, As i said, i dont know if Toulouse or Fax would be more successful, just that it would be a bit easier for fax to get ready in with a short lead in time

I wouldnt go for Fev big ideas but can they back them up with sponsors and crowds?

I think any club that can't generate 2.5mill-3mill min isn't going to be in SL for the long haul. If you are going to add a new team then it should at least be looking like they will be around for a while. Only way to not have that sort of income is to not spend the full cap but then we end up with an even more less competitve league.

Of those teams you have listed London have a investor bringing them up to that income level, Bradford- well we know what happened there, Widnes, Cas, Salford, Wakefield are all weak teams on the field largely due tp teh fact they probably don;t have this level of income. Why add another team just to join that pack?

No thanks:

a) We're not ready

b) The more I see of Super League, the less I want to do with it. In fact I'd even go as far as watching Batley instead of Fev if we were elevated to the current moribund set up.

We probably could, but there's only one way to find out.

However, the question that lots of Cappers are asking themselves at the moment is do we want to be part of Super League? From where we are sat, our league is way more interesting, competitive and entertaining.

IMHO the standard and entertainment value of Super League (seen on TV) declines on a weekly basis, whereas the games I see on Premier Sports keep getting better and better, including the CC1 games they show.

This could be very true, i,ve seen quite a few championship games this season both live and on TV and enjoyed everyone of them.
The intensity of superleague is dropping year on year, whilst the championship games are getting more competitive. I can see the attendances in the championship growing whilst the sanitized superleague gets more and more fragmented.

Yes they did - they've appeared in 2010 and 2011 Grand Finals. They decided not submit a licence for this period but that was their own choice. Given another SL position up for stake and the opportunity to submit one, I think they would

The didnt meet the minimum requirements with regards to the Stadium and Crowds.

I completely agree as a Fax fan i think there`s been some cracking games in the championship, when you look at SL fixtures on tv the result seems to be a foregone conclusion no potential for an upset. Also should be a belter of a game if Fax & Fev meet in Grand Final should be shown on BBC then Sky might regret not having the Championships as they said it didnt bring anything to there package.

Not that it matters but why do Fev get to claim Leeds as a Derby game when it is almost exactly the same distance from The Shay to Headingley as it is from POR?

I wasn't giving Leeds as a derby to anyone. I was merely stating that Fev would have derbies v Cas, Leeds and Wakey, so would more than likely have bigger crowds and also have bigger crowds at Cas and Wakey too.

Fax may have Leeds as a derby and Huddersfield as well but I'd be surprised if the latter fixture would generate a similar crowd to that of Fev v Cas/Wakey/Leeds.

Got to say that the "triumvirate" sounds mouth watering. I think you'll get too many people arguing against such a concentration of clubs in one smallish city though. But still, i wouldn't mind following those rivalries during the season - as a neutral observer of course

There is always the chance that rumours of our demise have been somewhat exaggerated.

If, by some miracle it transpires they HAVE, I'll come gunning for some of you lot.

Just remind me what sport is again please..

When you say generate upto 3million is that without director and tv income?

i think its become obvious there is going to be no demise in bradford any time soon..

Professional sport is a business, same as any other business you need a positive profit and loss statement at the end of the year or you won't be in business very long.

No including. Seems to me that to be a competitive and sustainable SL club paying full salary cap you need around that amount of income. Very simplistically it seems to break into roughly three main areas of income:
1mill SL tv grant
1 mill from fans (gate takings, merchandise, lotteries etc)
1 mill from sponsorships/corporate box sales/director investment

Average 10,000 and that equates to 1.3 in Ticket revenue (Ian Lenegan reckons it's closeto a tenner a pop averaged out over the season)
The same again in residuals (merch/beer/food)
The same again in TV money...

there's the better part of 4 million already......before you put an advert on a shirt of flog a prawn sarnie in a box or take a brass farthing from a sugar daddy....

The holy grail for SL clubs should be to get to 10k averages....then build from there, but some clubs are still putting the cart before the horse.

Bradford had the right idea BTW.......they just got their forecasting wrong.....it would have taken 5 to 7 years of cheap ST's before you could start to up the price.....build the loyalty, then gradually squeeze the fans for a few extra notes.

Be surprised if it that high when you take into account season tickets, jnr's, concessions etc. if it was that high then my team would be more than breaking even on 8000 avg crowd but we are losing around 250k a season before director investment. Our chairmen has said a crowd avg of 10k will see use break even suggesting 2000 fans equals around 250-300k profit a year.

I take it you are reffering to me

Lots of clubs, especially London, must be dying on their =#FF4000backsides then.

Without a director ploughing money they would have been gone a long long time ago. He is putting in over million pound a year .

Bearing in mind the state of the game. If Toulouse are added to SL, that will mean 2 fixtures out of the 13 home games (plus London), where there are very few away supporters.
Now, there are so many folk on here clamouring for a reduction in the no. of teams in SL due to the "financial state of the game", how do we think a team with no travelling support will help ?
Also, although there is a novelty value in visiting France to watch SL and it is a great experience, it is unlikely that many fans will be able to afford 2 trips per season.
There is of course the potential fo increased TV cash but, what about the fans ???
We are already being taken for a ride in so many ways but, this matters not a jot.

The Hull clubs get no traveling fans anyway so won't make much of a difference.