he wrote if it HAD of been briers
you fool

I'd definitely rather support this mode of punishment...

Sam Tomkins "I really don't know what it is."
Bill Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
'Comical' Ali (Iraqi Information Minister) "They are coming in their tanks to surrender."
Sam - the worst thing you can do is deny something that everybody in the world can see owing to the existence of television and the fact that what you did has been seen by millons and recorded.
You are the proverbial dog stood next to the puddle of urine.
And an idiot.

No he was merely reminding us all of the famous victory of Henry V over the French at Agincourt, well done you Sam.

Lest we forget:

This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say, "To-morrow is Saint Crispian."
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say, "These wounds I had on Crispian's day."
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words,
Harry the King, Bedford, and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day."

You, sir, are an imbecile of the first order. Do you not think that Tomkins should apologise as did Matt King - and King was not even on TV of any kind ( let alone playing before the biggest RL TV audience of the year ) on that occasion?

Well first off thanks for calling me sir.

But what are your thoughts on the Briers incident?

Did he ever apologise?

Please answer y boy.

It was another poster who first brought up the 'sacking offence' point. I did not say that ST should be sacked, merely underlined juts how serious was his misconduct to those Wiganers who seem to believe it a harmless prank.
It's amusing to read those Wigan fans like yourself who presume to read the minds of other posters. You have no clue what I thought about the incidents to which you refer. They are not the subject of the debate here. In terms of bringing the game into disrepute, 'far worse things' have, in fact, very rarely happened on such a big stage on such a big occasion in front of such a big TV audience. Do you not think that Tomkins should at least apologise?

It's a pity that you are incapable of returning the courtesy. Until you learn to do so, you do not merit a serious reply. However, in my view NO player should ever incite the crowd with abusive gestures and IF a player breaks this rule he should apologise profusely, as did Matt King in the (to date) best known incident of its kind involving a Wire player.

If you like seeing players incite the crowd, swear at the touch judges and abuse the referee with no recourse then I heartily recommend association football which I believe is on offer to the public in Wigan.

FFS you muppet it's only Monday, give him a chance to apologise, it is bank holiday weekend you know!

So you DO think Briers should have been cited and apologised?

That's all I wanted to hear sir.

So is Sam tomkins getting lambasted in the national press for his misdemeanour or it just happening on rlfans.

It's RL, what do you reckon?

I reckon they dont give a damn.
I hope the rl press dont go overboard with this.

You persist in asking me my view, but won't give your own. Perhaps ST will apologise next Sunday morning, but you have not indicated whether you think he should do so.

The sane thing to do for ANY player being so petulant is to tell him to stop being daft and not do it again or he'll cop a ban. The fact that he is one of the few players who's name rhymes with Spam Sponkins shouldn't change that.

Thats right.
He denied it happened, he is a GRUB of the first order.

I am looking forward to the 4 Nations, he will be targeted and exposed, space in SL will not translate to space or Park defence at Test level.

He will have swift second rowers running at him like Freight Trains.

Thread tidied, Play nicely (or don't play at all) Any further instances of the 'r' word (wtid and Warrior24 take particular note) will result in bans being issued

I only saw the Sunday Times sport supplement and after the front four pages dedicated to the England RU team, then the next pages football, you can find a half page of RL on page 11. It's actually not a bad write up and has a good photo of J Tomkins en route to his try.

It mentions: "In embracing Charnley, Tomkins blotted his coppybook in gesticulating to the Leeds fans, who had booed him during England's mid-season international at Headingly."

But it then goes on to pardon him and smooth his way to inclusion in the front pages (RU) "His vision and nifty footwork spoke more eloquently, and his steepling kick that Webb failed to gather in a jittery display in the back for Leeds led to Wigans second try by the rumbling Lima".

He'll be eating prawn sarnies and sipping pimms by the end of next season.

The Tompkins witchhunt is pathetic. No ban for me.

I think a fine and an apology would do enough.

BUT...

The fact that he's not even admitted he did it is probably worse. If he doesn't admit that, then he's hardly going to apologise for it is he? So if he doesn't admit it and apologise, then yeah he should get a ban.

Wire fans in one game ban shocker.

Did he get a ban for this?

Sam Tomkins was silly. He shouldn't have done it. He isn't the first and he wont be the last. After seeing it I reckon he might get a one match ban and a fine. However the RFL haven't been consistent with these rulings. The only player I can remember getting a ban was Dean Widders (I think) for giving his own fans the V-sign. We'll see what happens. Probably given the occasion and the huge public uproar because 'it's Sam Tomkins' will most likely see him get a ban.

Some of the reactions on here have been absolute classic though. Really impressed by the OTT nature some have when it comes to Sam Tomkins. Get a grip.

The RFL have never been consistent with this. In fact, the only consistency would be for Tomkins not to receive a ban, but he will do.

Richie Mathers/Richie Myler have given Wigan fans the '2 finger salute'. An example of Lee Briers giving the middle finger there for all to see. The irony a Wire fan should start this thread.

No Wire fan will have any real comeback for this. They'll just make a joke about it, sidestepping the blatant hypocrisy at the same time.

Just because the RFL have been consistently ignoring the issue doesn't mean they should continue to.
They've started fining coaches a lot of money this year for saying things about the referee that are against the respect policy. The same should apply to players that break the respect policy, regardless of whether or not others have gotten away with it. I think a fine is in order, but a ban only if he refuses to accept what he did and apologise for it.