Who from exactly and for what legitimate planning reason? I suspect they will look to deal with under delegated powers and it will never even see the committee room... if it does, they will nod it straight through... it is even less controversial than the planning application for my house extension! Also, some of it may not require planning with them being temporary structures, but the planning officers will make that call.

This looks like the journalist who wrote this story actual did some proper research and even, shock horror, picked up the phone to speak to James Elston this morning!!! [url www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480[/url If only they all did this... instead of copying each others copy!

This looks like the journalist who wrote this story actual did some proper research and even, shock horror, picked up the phone to speak to James Elston this morning!!! [url www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480[/url If only they all did this... instead of copying each others copy!

Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"This looks like the journalist who wrote this story actual did some proper research and even, shock horror, picked up the phone to speak to James Elston this morning!!! [url www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480[/url If only they all did this... instead of copying each others copy!'" Or the club could have been ready with a press release

Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"This looks like the journalist who wrote this story actual did some proper research and even, shock horror, picked up the phone to speak to James Elston this morning!!! [url www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480[/url If only they all did this... instead of copying each others copy!'" Or the club could have been ready with a press release

Have they issued a follow up release this morning to the original one from last night then?

No idea, they obviously didnt give one to the YEP hence the crap they wrote

Not necessarily. Super League, in Wakefield's current state requires a lot of investment from Andrew Glover in order to bankroll the club. I think the best for the club is to go down to the Championship, consolidate, get the infrastructure of the club up to a top level, improve all aspects of the club off the pitch and especially get the future of where Wakefield will be playing long term sorted. I think this is done more easily from the Championship than in Super League where the demands to invest in the first team are greater and far more costly. I think if Wakefield were to stay in SL the temptation to put money into the first team instead of other areas would be too great and it would be to the detriment of the club. Wakefield need to basically sack off the next few years in exchange for a long term strategy for not merely eventual Super League survival but to be a major player in SL in the long term.

In the end whilst Andrew Glover obviously has a spare bob or two, he's no Russian oil baron and his money needs to be spent on long term stability not on short term benefit for Wakefield. The plans to spend a significant amount of money on a stadium that won't exist in a few years time don't fill me with confidence on this point.

They got it from press release last night, but it didn't specifically state that this was temporary solution until Newmarket is (hopefully) completed (which was clearly an issue with Wakey's press release with hindsight)! So journalists, added 2 + 2 and got 4.66666 recurring and filled in the gaps by assuming it should say something that wasn't actually said!

Did you hear that Cas have sold WR for £50m BTW!

So a badly worded press release then

We got there in the end

I think it lacked sufficient clarification on the Newmarket issues yes... but does that give them an excuse to fill the gaps by second guessing?

Something as big as this, i wouldnt have left to chance the need to second guess

And to make sure Cas dont miss out on anything Dickie has released a statement this afternoon. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-13709015

And to make sure Cas dont miss out on anything Dickie has released a statement this afternoon. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-13709015

Quote ="dids858"And to make sure Cas dont miss out on anything Dickie has released a statement this afternoon. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-13709015'" As sure as night follows day. Yet another nice drawing you can't play rugby league on.

Quote ="dids858"And to make sure Cas dont miss out on anything Dickie has released a statement this afternoon. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-13709015'" As sure as night follows day. Yet another nice drawing you can't play rugby league on.

What current state?How do you know what investment is required?
Glover took Wakefield out of admin and they are debt free
What aspects off the pitch need improving - that would be better served improving from a lower division?
Glover is ready to invest £500k into improving "aspects off the pitch" yet has stated that Wakefield will have full cap available to spend next season - if in super league.
I really dont know how you can make all those assumptions regarding the club and Glover,that he would put money into the first team to the detriment of anything else.
So if we go down that will be less revenue streams across the board,advertising,crowds and less willing private investors.
The future of where Wakefield will be playing long term wont be sorted any easier by dropping down a division.Indeed dropping down a division would likely have more adverse implications on where we play long term.
The improvements will cost circa £500k - so a £500k investment now or six years out of super league,im sure hes weighed up the options and im sure as a successful businessman Andrew Glover is the person best postioned to know what is best for him and the club.

He is bloody good, you have to hand it to the guy!

This is my favourite bit "The rugby league team =#FF0000will move to the new 20-acre site in Glasshoughton by the start of the 2013 season."

Well, given Opus have told their consultant design team that they are planning to lodge the planning application in October at the earliest and don't expect a decision till February/March, also at the earliest (and very, very optimistic IMO), then they can't start till April on GH and they are working on a 50 ish week build programme then something is not adding up! Even Wakefield know that the best they can do is part way through 2013 and the reality is you move in for the 2014 season. They have also told their consultants to 'plan' for the possibility of a PI, then the word WILL should possibly say HOPE!

But he keeps it real by slipping the caveat in right at the end "However, the sizeable capital investment and subsequent job creation is dependent upon securing planning permission in the first instance for a retail scheme at Wheldon Road."

He should be in PR... some say he already is!

Wakey should borrow him

Sod Wakefield, Dodgy Dave should make him his new 'Alastair Campbell'.

One query, why is the planned stands etc gonna start in August?

I read it'll take a month, why not do em end of season, surely there'll be problems on match days in August

James Elston announced last night and confirmed in a press release that Wakefield Trinity are now running at a profit!

Given that stadia and finance were the two blights on the club how can the news that we are now profitable and the announcement that we will be improving the stadium to the RFLs satisfaction possibly be a bad thing?

Newmarket is still the clubs focus and by March next year we will know the results of the PI. If we get the go ahead we can be playing in the new stadium by 2013. In the mean
In the meantime Belle Vue will have been vastly improved and will be far from the worst ground in SL.

The infrastructure of the club, junior development, community work, commercial and marketing as never been better than it is now and is set for more investment in the coming months, so its far from being neglected!

I understand the scepticism, this is Wakefield isn't it, but it's not a Wakefield Trinity that's under the same ownership as the last 20 years and some supporters need get their heads around that. Andrew Glover has been in charge for three months and everything he's said he will do has been done!

There's nothing to be gained from trying to con the RFL, the club have worked hand in hand with Savilles and the RFL in order to formulate the redevelopment of the ground and everything they've asked for has been done!

I'm also lead to beehive that legally binding contracts have been or will be signed before the franchise decision is known. The only clause allowing Wakefield to cancel the contract is if they do not receive a franchise, this was insisted upon by the RFL to prevent any possibility that this might not happen should Trinity get a licence.

The Clan & Turfedout - I think you are both massively over-estimating how strong the club currently is. You are both basically suggesting that in 3 months everything has gone from awful to wonderful and that Wakefield are now suddenly a SL standard set-up simply because Andrew Glover has taken over. The ground is still a vital issue. Long term is still far from sorted and is the most uncertain of all the clubs. Short term ie Belle Vue is still as bad as ever and a £500k facelift will do sod all to cure that, don't be lulled into thinking that Belle Vue will suddenly become an adequate stadium, it won't.

Yes demotion would lead to lower revenue, it would also lead to significantly lower costs and, more importantly, less of a pressure to put money into the first team. I think if Wakefield were to stay in SL I think it would take them longer and cost them more to make the necessary changes to become a real force in SL than a period or 2 in the Championship where there is less pressure. Wakefield can't just go back to how they were ie scrapping at the bottom of SL and not challenging at the top. If the club is going to last and prosper long term it has to do more than that, which in my opinion means quite a lot of changes are necessary at Wakefield in all sorts of areas.

I tend to agree. Widnes were not happy when they didn't get in three years ago but they are a much stronger outfit now. The three years gave them breathing space to put everything right.

In other news, Architects released the first images of the plan for the Away Stand at Belle Vue....

And with that last post I'll exit this thread as any chance of adult conversation has disappeared.

Yep, if Widnes had been in SL during that time I'm 99% sure the temptation to sign Aussies/Kiwis/south sea islanders to bolster the first team would have been too great to ignore.

As you say being in the Championship gave Widnes the breathing space to focus on areas other than the first team and I think Widnes will emerge stronger than they would have been if they'd been in SL for the same period.

You obviously have little knowledge of the club.

Everything wasnt awful.eg community side
Both Wakefield and Castleford are both far from sorted(see millions of other threads)
£500K will address some of the stadium issues that it falls short on.(see the rfl stadium criteria)

How exactly does demotion mean theres less pressure to put money into the first team?Do you not need to win a certain trophy to be eligible to re apply for super league?You are already going to suffer a significant drop in attendances,so you still need to invest in the team,added to that the club has already confirmed that if they fail in having their license renewed,they will keep a full time squad in the championship(although quite how that works on 400k ive no idea).By not investing in the team will lead to even lower attendances.


But its ok for Salford to just hang around the bottom and not challenge?

Why not try and be more specific -- What are these "lots of changes" in "all sorts of areas" Thats about as vague as vague can be.

You think you know better than Glover -- fair enough.

I will pass on your advice to him.

Sweet Jesus, some of you Wakefield fans aren't good at making friends and engendering sympathy towards your clubs' plight are you.
I've heard much about this wonderful community programme yet seen little evidence of it actually being so amazing. Just repeating the phrase over and over doesn't make it true.
£500k will do sod all to make Belle Vue a reasonable 21st century stadium to watch elite sport in.
You need to win either the Championship Grand Final or the Northern Rail Cup once in the licence period. Since Batley managed it I'm sure it's not beyond the means of Wakefield. Yes there is less pressure to sign Aussies/kiwis/south sea islanders, partly because of the quota, partly because of the salary cap and partly because in SL there is pressure to not finish very low down and to perform on TV in an elite league. Average teams get found out much more in SL than in the Championship due to the full time nature of SL. In the Championship, as Widnes have proved, you can concentrate on other aspects of the business whilst your academy can provide an "adequate" team alongside a few choice signings and dual registrations.

You have, for some reason known only to your paranoid little mind, assumed I was somehow having a dig at Wakefield, I wasn't. I was stating my opinion as to what I think would be the best scenario for Wakefield and the best way to come out of the current situation in the strongest position possible. I've never mentioned Salford so I don't quite see why you have brought them into your argument.

The entire infrastructure of the club needs an overhaul, from the boardroom on down. Marketing, community, youth development, finance ie additional revenue, all need attention in some form or another. These should take priority over the first team in the next few years since they are areas that have been sadly lacking in investment in the past and they coupled with a suitable new stadium are what's going to grow the club and make it a force in the future. If you don't believe that just take a look at the 3 "biggest" clubs in Wigan, Leeds & Hull FC.

Kindly quote where I've said I know better than Andrew Glover. If we don't debate things because of the charge of "well you think you know better than...." then this website would be a very dull place. It would just be full of Damo's lists and Phipps irrationality.

Pass any advice on to anyone you want. Patronising tw[ia[/it.