If I worried what people thought of me I would have to change careers...

and as for denigrating league.......all I do is point out the shortcomings of the game. It is part of the path to business success that you first admit your own faults and issues......then and only then can you hope to become more successful at what you do. It's what some "trainers" or "Educationalists' call a SWOT table........it is used by most businesses
If it was left up to you and Old Dear then RL would continue to be MASSIVE in Australia and a regional and marginalised sport in England and New Zealand and not even registering anywhere else....but that would be OK with you because it would be MASSIVE in Australia........







Dilusional, short sighted and suicidal standpoint but not to be unexpected from the only country where the population are more arrogant than the Brits



League is by far the better game.....but until you tell people, invite them to come and see for themselves, ask them what they thought, try to improve the experience, invite them back and keep trying to improve the offering. The worlds largest marketing budget is spent by Proctor & Gamble...it is in excess of US$1 Billion a Year. Some of this money is spent promoting the worlds biggest selling dandruff shampoo which is Head and Shoulders above the rest

....the reason they do this is they say a consumer is a consumer until they buy your product for the 7th time...then they become a customer.
This mentality is the way League needs to go GLOBALLY.......because it is the better game, but people either don't know it or have social stereotypical ideas about it........you need to spend some cash to get some reward.....something the IRB know and understand....something international League need to learn.

The article that started this was poorly written, but you can't argue with the notion that international RL is a joke... And, until England and the RFL get their act together there will only be two teams capable of winning any RL World Cup anytime soon. Was watching the old highlights of GB v Oz during the BBC coverage on the weekend and our back line is embarrassing compared to what/who we had then...

What because of two delegates? Who will be weeded out? Sure, the entire organisation must be abjectly flawed...

Union's world cup is a charade supported by lies. 5.1 billion ring a bell. The IRB's specialty.

GF brought union into it because he brings union into every post.

Moron. You don't know anything except what you just googled.

The comfortable capacity of the SCG for the bulk of the 20th Century was 50,000. Union never had a crowd over that number after rugby league started, rugby league had probably close to 100.

We had capacity crowds for internationals from the beginning of the game in 1908. And no access to the SCG because of union for an extended period (despite being the dominant crowd pulling code by far... sound familiar)

He forgot to pretend he doesn't read our posts that time...

Well said.

Not much I don't agree with. Nice to see someone discussing the issues rather than trying to tell us how wonderful rugby union is...

Without wanting to answer for DM, probably because we had many full-house internationals throughout the 20th Century.

Capacity at Homebush is 80,000: suggests that figure is achievable.

We have had more than three nations vying for the top spot at numerous points throughout our long history.

To pick one (at random), consider the 1954 World Cup. The first rugby world cup of either code by a third of a century.

The five years or so prior to that tournament suggest any of the four nations could have won the tournament. Australia were favourite but didn't make the final.

In the 1930s, there were arguably five top teams with Wales probably the best in the world at certain points.

These things are cyclical as I have noted...Australia lost 30 years straight of Ashes contests at one stage.

He gets places, dates, people and events very mixed up sometimes...

Where? Go on, show me where I said Union was wonderful? You'll have a hard time.....

What I said was Rugby Union is run very well at international level.........Rugby League isn't.
Again Old Dear...you are shown up to have nothing to add apart from theories, unfounded opinions, unfounded accusations of lying, name calling and access to some RL History books.......outstanding work

Nutter of the highest order this one...

Seems to have gone off the rails since he returned from too much sun in Fiji. Allegedly.





To repeat:

1. The union WC is a facade as to its "size". Sounds like little man syndrome.
2. Union effectively stole the idea of a world cup from rugby league. Ours was 33 years previous and their records show they talked about copying it from within a couple of years. Unfortunately for the troll.
3. Union was shamateur since the early 1900s.
4. Rugby league's history and future have nothing to do with union's WC which dates only from 1987.
5. Yes, international rugby league is rebuilding (because of the Super League War). It has nothing to learn at all from union. Any model regarding international sport at world's best practice is clearly the biggest and most powerful sporting model in the world, FIFA. Why look at someone who isn't the best? Waste of time.
6. GF you know nothing about rugby league's history which is why you ignore. History itself tells us why this is dangerous. I suggest you did out a few quotes about it for your own education.
7. Yes, the RLIF is a backward thinking organisation ripe for revolution. Tell me something I don't know...
8. You are an ARLT as your comments about the backward Gaelic football thingy show. Get back to me when they have an international history of playing the same game constantly since 1908.

He is a professional liar as a "marketing man".

Ever watch Gruen Transfer?





ARLT.

Mainly because of the Super League War.

When you ignore something for 15 years, it tends to become a little stagnant.





Fortunately, it is slowly changing, albeit at glacial pace.

But to be fair, is it really achievable, bar pure wishing.

Look at the video of the bicentenary test at the SCG in 1988. How many empty seats at the SFS!!! That was only a decade or so into your dominance. Doesn't appear to make Dally's dreams too achieveable. And that was in the bicentenary year when everything was so pro-aussie it was unbelievable.

Potentially pure fantasy.

See again...another example of how people with a tiny bit of knowledge are dangerous.

I suggest you read a little about how the entire season of 1988 people effectively boycotted the SFS because the funding of the stadium made tickets prohibitively expensive.

It was a poor year for rep game crowds at both Test and Origin level. There are masses of empty seats at the Origin games that year for the same reason.

The year was an anomaly.

i was at that game

if the ashes cricket can get sell outs, so can we.

it comes down to england being as good as us.

internatonal RL was developing along nicely in the early 90s

at that time for example mal menginga and the kangaroos were far bigger stars in england than the wallabies

then along came the SL war and set the cause of international RL back to scratch.

the thing that ive noticed is that from apathy, many aussie RL fans now want the international game to kick on

theyve had a union WC shoved down their throats and wondered why their football code cant offer something better.

all we need is for england to do what nz did a few times in finals and the international game will get a good kick on

Course you were.

and

righty ho, what can you show us to prove your 80,000 theory? Afterall, that's all it is.

I've taught you well...

mate, ask Enlgish people from around the country and see if they'd heard of Mal Meninga or say David Campese from the early 90s?

Everything else you've said seems reasonable Dally me old mucker.

Mal Meninga won the BBC Overseas Sports Personality of the Year in 1990.





He was fairly well known in order to receive said award...

This list of no names preceded him... (only ten years or so listed for ease)

lol

1978 Muhammad Ali
1979 Björn Borg
1980 Jack Nicklaus
1981 Chris Evert
1982 Jimmy Connors
1983 Carl Lewis
1984 Severiano Ballesteros
1985 Boris Becker
1986 Greg Norman
1987 Martina Navratilova
1988 Steffi Graf
1989 Mike Tyson

1990 MAL MENINGA

he was, now see my post and ask the English people as was suggested and see what happens.

You want to conduct a sample, get to it.

I'll let the list speak for itself.

lol

Cos, being Australian and thousands of miles away from it, that's all you have. An opinion. Set a task. You choose not to do it. For fear of embarrassment, I understand. You're wrong. Sorry.