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| Quote ="The Hurricane"Galea
Webster
Newton
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Mason
Thats 7 overseas players who definately shouldent be off quota. The rule for next year is 5.
Sick to death of this! Give English a chance Hull KR FFS!'"
We are:
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| Quote ="Roofs"We are:
Briscoe
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Wheeldon
Hodgson
etc
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I wont explain my point. You're obviously too club biased to understand.
Pathetic club.
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| It's not just the number but the quality - or lack of it - among the imports which is depressing.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"It's not just the number but the quality - or lack of it - among the imports which is depressing.'"
With the salary cap and the exchange rate what do you expect?
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"It's not just the number but the quality - or lack of it - among the imports which is depressing.'"
Really? Strange how such poor quality players managed to beat Leeds home and away this season.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"You could have said/ probably did say the same when announcing signings of Kirk Netherton, Chas I'Anson, Ryan Esders, Frankie Mariano, Scott Spaven, Lee Gomersall, James Haynes etc. Clubs have to have a certain number of homegrown players on the books under the franchise rules. Cheerleading Rovers meeting these minimum requirements as a sign of a brave new world of Rovers' squad being built around a nucleus of homegrown players is getting a bit giddy in this context.'"
Yeah, like no other club has trumped up the signings from the youth ranks they've made this season.
Would you like the statistics or are you going to present us with another graph?
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| The Hurricane - Who's that in your profile picture?
Over the past couple of years when you talk of Saints you think of Gidley, Wigan you speak of Leuluai or Feka, Warrington it's Matt King or the Andersons, Bradford have Orford, Beaver...etc.
Fact is these imports are making our SL competition a better competition. Jake Webster was an international who self admittedly dropped in form before playing here, as stated Galea and Newton made the dream team in 2009 while Dobson has made the team two years running along with an Albert Goldthorpe medal from 2009.
Ben Fisher came up from the national leagues with us, Mick Vella has been our club captain since our promotion and has made a big impact not just at first team level. Mick also has an Australia cap and a very big reputation back in the NRL.
Mason I dont think anyone could question this signing, he is a marketing mans dream and he puts in the performances too. Green I accept isn't the biggest of signings and the proof most certainly will be in the pudding but English half backs price themselves out of the market for the quality you get from them. English players' work ethic is much lower than that of their NRL counterparts, youngsters in Oz are stronger, fitter and at a better standard sooner than most English kids. Blame the weather if we must but who trains in an outdoor gym?
Morgan I believe works on a cream will always rise to the top basis. If an English player (i.e. Liam Watts, Kris Welham, Scott Taylor) is good enough they will get a spot in the team. If they are not better than what we can get in under the salary cap and within the rules then why settle for a worse squad than you need to?
Why dont you go and ask players like Tomkins, Myler, Welham, Eastmond...etc who they learnt their stuff from, I bet most of them will name an Aussie or NZ player in that list. Most of the imports improve our youngsters and this is why I dont think there is a problem with clubs doing what Rovers are. Just like I have no problem with Warrington over stepping the salary cap (oooppss here come the Wire fans!!!) because it is improving the competition AND our youngsters!
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"I would love to see JB Down Under's opinion on this signing, & the number of overseas players, if it wasn't Hull KR involved
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nit that impressed, we needed a number 6 and I'd preferred we had a good young British one but we don;t and there wasn;t any on the market. Morgans been pretty good with his signings so I'll trust that he sees something in Green that I don't.
In terms of number of overseas players I'm divided. As a fan of HKR I want to see our club at the top and winning silverware, and I don;t care what colour passports the players have that are doing it. As a RL fan I want to see a strong Int game and so would rather see SL 75% full of English talented players. Then I see a club like Leeds with all the advantages they have signing a player like Ben Cross or FC with their resources playing someone like Lauaki and think WTF lets just get on with assembling the best squad we can.
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| As somebody who is more bothered about club rugby then international rugby, I couldn't care less where our players come from, Hull, Australia, NZ, the moon, where ever
As soon as they get out onto the pitch they are all Hull KR players regardless. As long as the club continue to conform with the guidleines concerning "quota" players then im perfectly happy with my club
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| Quote ="The Hurricane"I wont explain my point. You're obviously too club biased to understand.
Pathetic club.'"
Lol, yeah okay.
A club that was in administration ten years ago and NL1 five years ago recently had three lads named in the England provisional training squad, not bad going IMO.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"You could have said/ probably did say the same when announcing signings of Kirk Netherton, Chas I'Anson, Ryan Esders, Frankie Mariano, Scott Spaven, Lee Gomersall, James Haynes etc. Clubs have to have a certain number of homegrown players on the books under the franchise rules. Cheerleading Rovers meeting these minimum requirements as a sign of a brave new world of Rovers' squad being built around a nucleus of homegrown players is getting a bit giddy in this context.'"
Damned if they do....damned if they don't, it would appear.
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| Quote ="The Hurricane"Galea
Webster
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Thats 7 overseas players who definately shouldent be off quota. The rule for next year is 5.
'" Hang on. Please correct me if I'm wrong but the reason HKR have these extra number is because some of these players were at HKR before the new quota laws were introduced, right? Meaning when the likes of vella (32) and galea (32) inevitably retire (or move on) they will not free up a quota spot, thus meaning that numbers are definatley reduced long term?
Could someone clarify whether that's right?
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"Correct.'" So, what's the fuss? The number of imports are being reduced. The only party that will really suffer is HKR themselves as they [imay [/istruggle ot replace them when they leave.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Hang on. Please correct me if I'm wrong but the reason HKR have these extra number is because some of these players were at HKR before the new quota laws were introduced, right? Meaning when the likes of vella (32) and galea (32) inevitably retire (or move on) they will not free up a quota spot, thus meaning that numbers are definatley reduced long term?
Could someone clarify whether that's right?'"
Indeed - and because we have fewer senior club-trained players, we include more youngsters (not claiming it as virtue, we have to) than most clubs in the 25 man squad. The squeeze comes in the middle where we have chosen to keep mature overseas fed-qualified players rather than mature Brits - such as Galea, Vella and Newton, rather than Chev Walker, David Mills and Paul Cooke.
The way the rules have panned out has given Rovers wider opportunities in a constricting market. All clubs stock up to the max on quota players, more or less - as soon as Berrigan got off quota Hull fans were looking for their club to fill it. You play the cards you are dealt and for once Rovers got a decent hand.
Quote ="Offside Monkey"So, what's the fuss? The number of imports are being reduced. The only party that will really suffer is HKR themselves as they [imay [/istruggle ot replace them when they leave.'"
But why is it more of struggle to replace them than retiring British players of similar quality?
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| Quote ="Wadski"
Andy's dad is not called Paul either.'"
Yes he is
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"So, what's the fuss? The number of imports are being reduced. The only party that will really suffer is HKR themselves as they [imay [/istruggle ot replace them when they leave.'"
Jesus H effing Christ...Someone has seen the light!
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"But why is it more of struggle to replace them than retiring British players of similar quality?'"
Well, HKR's detractors suggest that there is little development of youngsters, which gives you a head start in recruitment. I think someone posted evidence to the contrary, though, in terms of young players being signed up.
You can't just force club to sack a load of people becuase they're foreign. What we have is a longer term plan to phase the number of foreigners down, HKR will have to get into line, no matter how they push the boundaries, if it means they've two aussies more than another club for a couple of seasons, I'm not really d.
I don't know why so many people are having a cow about it.
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| Quote ="The Hurricane"I wont explain my point. You're obviously too club biased to understand.'"
Quote ="The Hurricane"Pathetic club.'"
Well, there goes another irony meter.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Well, HKR's detractors suggest that there is little development of youngsters, which gives you a head start in recruitment. I think someone posted evidence to the contrary, though, in terms of young players being signed up.
You can't just force club to sack a load of people becuase they're foreign. What we have is a longer term plan to phase the number of foreigners down, HKR will have to get into line, no matter how they push the boundaries, if it means they've two aussies more than another club for a couple of seasons, I'm not really d.
I don't know why so many people are having a cow about it.'"
I know why some of them are.
But you're right, we have to develop more club-trained players to give the squad greater depth as well as to continue meeting SL rules.
Liam Watts looks a very good prospect and the kids that Rovers signed after securing their long-term place in SL are now coming of age.
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| I think the medal tally at the C'wealth games shows that Englands inability to beat Australia at most sports goes way beyond HKR's couple of extra overseas players!
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"I think the medal tally at the C'wealth games shows that Englands inability to beat Australia at most sports goes way beyond HKR's couple of extra overseas players!'"
You've been listening to the commentators to much jb.
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| Quote ="Roofs"
We are:
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Netherton
Wheeldon
Hodgson
etc
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Hey, congratulations on being able to name 13 British squad members, it's quite a feat.
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| Quote ="Mable_Syrup"Yes he is'"
Is he?
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Hang on. Please correct me if I'm wrong but the reason HKR have these extra number is because some of these players were at HKR before the new quota laws were introduced, right? Meaning when the likes of vella (32) and galea (32) inevitably retire (or move on) they will not free up a quota spot, thus meaning that numbers are definatley reduced long term?
Could someone clarify whether that's right?'" That is indeed 2000% correct.
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