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| Can we stop comparing Graham to the likes of Fielden, Morley and Peacock.
Graham is a ball playing prop in the mould of Lee Crooks, as opposed to just a one dimensional "drive it up from first receiver". The fact that he can also do the hard yards, makes him unique in SL.
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| ahh but who's better, Graham or Burgess? ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
Personally Grahams the better prop, Burgess probably all round player although according to the aussie media Burgess is the best thing since sliced bread.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8040FFthere's at least 2 coaches who would have Peacock & Morley in front of Graham.'"
name them?
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| Quote ="Dico"ahh but who's better, Graham or Burgess?
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Personally Grahams the better prop, Burgess probably all round player although according to the aussie media Burgess is the best thing since sliced bread.'"
Burgess will always stand out more because of the big hits he puts in - therefore fans and media are likely to hype him up. Graham is a completely different type of player, the work he puts in doesnt get the likes of Eddie & Stevo creaming themselves but is a lot more valuable to the overall team effort.
Both are great players - and Super League will be a worse off place without them.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"the guy trying to sign graham is the same guy who spotted billy slater, greg inglis and israel folau
so yeah the roosters dont know what they are doing chasing graham
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Just to correct you, as you appear to be misinforming my countrymen back home. Sully was informed about Slater, Inglis and Folau. He went to look at them and then signed. He didn't spot them as you incorrectly suggest.
You really know nothing Dally. Keep telling us about Foxtel viewers instead. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| If Graham does go at the end of the season it will be a blow to the Saints squad.
They have a number OOC at the end of this year who need replacing but finding a prop to replace Graham will be nigh impossible.
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| Graham wont go......................ginger ninjas burn easily
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| Quote ="JLM23"Being a prop myself I can see that this is a load of rubbish. A prop's just isn't just to break the line. James Graham is playing a smart forwards game, he's hitting the line, taking out 2/3 players to tackle him, then finding the floor quickly and getting up to play the ball. There is nothing to be gained from wrestling with 2 or 3 players aside from wasting your energy. When you say "playing as a stand off." This is a technique used to create indecision in the defensive line, instead of giving yourself up carrying the ball under one arm, the ball is carried in two hands with a pushing player coming up with you. This gives you the opportunity to hit up, or get infront of the line and pass the ball, either way this is creating uncertainty in the defensive line.'"
This is the perfect description of Grahams style of play, observed by someone who knows the game. Over in Oz he will get smarter, when you talk to him he comes across as a clever lad who knows the finer points of the game.
As for GASLIGHT in this discussion he definitly has a minority viewpoint and is the weakest link on this topic.........and should go away with nothing.
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| Quote ="Dico"ahh but who's better, Graham or Burgess?
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Personally Grahams the better prop, Burgess probably all round player although according to the aussie media Burgess is the best thing since sliced bread.'"
burgess id say
jeeze hes a big unit
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"Just to correct you, as you appear to be misinforming my countrymen back home. Sully was informed about Slater, Inglis and Folau. He went to look at them and then signed. He didn't spot them as you incorrectly suggest.
You really know nothing Dally. Keep telling us about Foxtel viewers instead.
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so he did spot them for the storm. thanks
why did the other queensland nrl teams miss talents like slater, smith and inglis, or even folau
why did a club with zero juniors like the roosters sign the guy
because he has the best eye for talent in the business
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Quote ="dally messenger"so he did spot them for the storm. thanks
why did the other queensland nrl teams miss talents like slater, smith and inglis, or even folau
why did a club with zero juniors like the roosters sign the guy
because he has the best eye for talent in the business'"
Define spot? Others do it a lot and tell him about them. Do you mean Sully gets invited like others do to footy carnivals etc. etc.
Folau was "spotted" playing in the Aussie U15s champs playing for QLD Schoolboys.
Slater went to trial at Norths Devils for example and played for 2 years before signing for the Storm. The Devils were one of the Storms feeder clubs.
I think you're getting over excited as usual in talking someone up. You name 3 famous players, 1 of whom was already playing at their feeder club and say he has the best eye? Who did he recruit for the Roosters? Jordan Tansey?
This South African Rugby Union player:
www.sydneyroosters.com.au/?s=art ... y&id=17767
Sully may have some people's signatures first. But he didn't always "spot" them. You really should stick to talking about what you know. Foxtel Aussies viewing figures.
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Quote ="dally messenger"so he did spot them for the storm. thanks
why did the other queensland nrl teams miss talents like slater, smith and inglis, or even folau
why did a club with zero juniors like the roosters sign the guy
because he has the best eye for talent in the business'"
Define spot? Others do it a lot and tell him about them. Do you mean Sully gets invited like others do to footy carnivals etc. etc.
Folau was "spotted" playing in the Aussie U15s champs playing for QLD Schoolboys.
Slater went to trial at Norths Devils for example and played for 2 years before signing for the Storm. The Devils were one of the Storms feeder clubs.
I think you're getting over excited as usual in talking someone up. You name 3 famous players, 1 of whom was already playing at their feeder club and say he has the best eye? Who did he recruit for the Roosters? Jordan Tansey?
This South African Rugby Union player:
www.sydneyroosters.com.au/?s=art ... y&id=17767
Sully may have some people's signatures first. But he didn't always "spot" them. You really should stick to talking about what you know. Foxtel Aussies viewing figures.
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Quote ="Rooster Booster"Define spot? Others do it a lot and tell him about them. Do you mean Sully gets invited like others do to footy carnivals etc. etc.
Folau was "spotted" playing in the Aussie U15s champs playing for QLD Schoolboys.
Slater went to trial at Norths Devils for example and played for 2 years before signing for the Storm. The Devils were one of the Storms feeder clubs.
I think you're getting over excited as usual in talking someone up. You name 3 famous players, 1 of whom was already playing at their feeder club and say he has the best eye? Who did he recruit for the Roosters? Jordan Tansey?
This South African Rugby Union player:
www.sydneyroosters.com.au/?s=art ... y&id=17767
Sully may have some people's signatures first. But he didn't always "spot" them. You really should stick to talking about what you know. Foxtel Aussies viewing figures.'"
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the storm arent a queensland team. the broncos and cowboys are. these clubs have better links to players yet didnt rate these kids the storm have spotted
im sure if smith, inglis, slater or folau wouldve preferred to play for the broncos that move to melbourne
the fact the storm can spot these guys that other clubs miss is what im getting at
its why the roosters got him as well!
you can have 3 people watching juniors play RL, and only 1 will see the talent in a billy slater
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Quote ="Rooster Booster"Define spot? Others do it a lot and tell him about them. Do you mean Sully gets invited like others do to footy carnivals etc. etc.
Folau was "spotted" playing in the Aussie U15s champs playing for QLD Schoolboys.
Slater went to trial at Norths Devils for example and played for 2 years before signing for the Storm. The Devils were one of the Storms feeder clubs.
I think you're getting over excited as usual in talking someone up. You name 3 famous players, 1 of whom was already playing at their feeder club and say he has the best eye? Who did he recruit for the Roosters? Jordan Tansey?
This South African Rugby Union player:
www.sydneyroosters.com.au/?s=art ... y&id=17767
Sully may have some people's signatures first. But he didn't always "spot" them. You really should stick to talking about what you know. Foxtel Aussies viewing figures.'"
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the storm arent a queensland team. the broncos and cowboys are. these clubs have better links to players yet didnt rate these kids the storm have spotted
im sure if smith, inglis, slater or folau wouldve preferred to play for the broncos that move to melbourne
the fact the storm can spot these guys that other clubs miss is what im getting at
its why the roosters got him as well!
you can have 3 people watching juniors play RL, and only 1 will see the talent in a billy slater
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| Sully got their signatures first. That's it.
Norths Devils were one of Storms feeder clubs. Slater played there anyway.
This is too difficult for you to grasp as it's not about viewing figures.
I'll have to get you a job so you can learn stuff.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"burgess id say
jeeze hes a big unit'"
If he does come over I think you'll be very suprised.
Graham's been the best prop in SL for years now, and hes still young
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| Quote ="Dico"If he does come over I think you'll be very suprised.
Graham's been the best prop in SL for years now, and hes still young'"
ive seen him in real life, hes an ugly bugger!
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"Sully got their signatures first. That's it.
Norths Devils were one of Storms feeder clubs. Slater played there anyway.
This is too difficult for you to grasp as it's not about viewing figures.
I'll have to get you a job so you can learn stuff.'"
so sully was just lucky 4 times with folau, slater, inglis and smith
as a roosers fan then, im guessing you are disappointed with his signing
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| That is true.
But then again it's true of all Scousers ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="Dico"That is true.
But then again it's true of all Scousers
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seriously the amount of media hype burgess has been getting, i feel sorry for him with the expectation
ellis snuck in under the rader and got used to it. burgess will be expected to star from the get go.
when new players get lots of hype, the first thing that happens is they get bashed by opposite teams
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| If he sinks he sinks, he won't though.
My biggest concern is can he match the intensity week after week after week, SLs not exactly like that
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| Quote ="dally messenger"seriously the amount of media hype burgess has been getting, i feel sorry for him with the expectation
ellis snuck in under the rader and got used to it. burgess will be expected to star from the get go.
when new players get lots of hype, the first thing that happens is they get bashed by opposite teams'"
he may get bashed around a bit as you put it,but believe me he will give as good as he gets.also about james graham this guy is absolute quality.
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| Quote ="Dico"If he sinks he sinks, he won't though.
My biggest concern is can he match the intensity week after week after week, SLs not exactly like that'"
hell get used to it.
really hope he lives up to the hype
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| One of them, you can't miss him. Makes an impact regardless.
But Graham's the better prop ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Just when rugby league was getting better again in this country. The Australians conspire to take our good players to make sure that the Aussie dominance in world rugby league continues
Not Really
We’ve got individual rugby league playing talent in the UK that can match that of the best individuals in the NRL. You put Danny McGuire in the Melbourne Storm team and they’ll be a better team for it.
The world club challenge has shown that our top clubs team wise can match up to the top clubs in the NRL team wise.
However it’s the international set up we struggle with. Real Madrid in football are proof of a world class team of individuals can’t always make a good team. Well they can if they gel together.
The Quad nations final we was doing fine until our energy and faith ran out. However the injury to Michael Shenton didn’t help causes either.
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| Sam Burgess (Loose Forward)
Gareth Ellis (Second Row)
Mark Flanagan (Interchange)
All involved this week in the NRL.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Just when rugby league was getting better again in this country. The Australians conspire to take our good players to make sure that the Aussie dominance in world rugby league continues
Not Really
We’ve got individual rugby league playing talent in the UK that can match that of the best individuals in the NRL. You put Danny McGuire in the Melbourne Storm team and they’ll be a better team for it.
The world club challenge has shown that our top clubs team wise can match up to the top clubs in the NRL team wise.
However it’s the international set up we struggle with. Real Madrid in football are proof of a world class team of individuals can’t always make a good team. Well they can if they gel together.
The Quad nations final we was doing fine until our energy and faith ran out. However the injury to Michael Shenton didn’t help causes either.'"
Got to laugh at the Mcguire bit. Only thing he can do is support the ball carrier and run. Finch is a far more rounded HB than McG will ever be.
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