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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"they did'"
So why don't they keep all of the money - if they've "broken away"?
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| Quote ="littlerich"What an arrogant t*at
Thank Christ your not in charge at Red Hall.'"
its not really arrogant is it.
The lower leagues provide none of the visibility, money or players that they sport needs to exist.
It is the least important part of the game, and whilst the game would suffer if any part of it were to disappear. We would suffer a huge amount more if we lost the money and visibility of Super League or the players and youth development and community involvement of the amateur game than if we were to lose the lower leagues
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| Quote ="littlerich"So why don't they keep all of the money - if they've "broken away"?'"
because the game was re-united so they are back under the RFLs banner.
And they dont keep all the money because they would need to break away again to do so and contributing what they do to the lower leagues isnt a bad thing.
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| Quote ="headhunter"What, so the Championship and Championship One are more important than Super League and the amateur game?'"
I never said that - anywhere. But neither are they worthless. BskyB wouldn't be broadcasting if they were.
Also i apologise for calling you what i did. Heat of the moment. Sorry.
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| Quote ="littlerich"I never said that - anywhere. But neither are they worthless. BskyB wouldn't be broadcasting if they were.
Also i apologise for calling you what i did. Heat of the moment. Sorry.'" I never said they were worthless at all. But the attitude of some Championship fans is that they should get preferential treatment 'for the sake of the game' despite the fact that they contribute less to the game as a whole than Super League and the amateur game. Case in point the Widnes (I think) poster than I originally quoted.
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| Storm in a teacup this. Ainscough was always likely to be called back at some point. The surprise is that a player of his calibre was allowed to be part of the dual-reg system in the the first instance.
If the rules had have been more restrictive and provided more safeguards for the Champ/C1 clubs then there's no chance he, and probably a number of other good youngsters, would have been included in the scheme.
So the lower league clubs can either accept mediocre/raw talent that the SL clubs are unlikely to want or else take good 'uns who might be recalled.
As an aside, how about this for a suggestion - lower league clubs who choose not to use their quota spot to be allowed a fifth dual reg or loan player. The idea of providing an opportunity for a young Brit at the expense of some Aussie journeyman appeals to me.
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| Quote ="headhunter"I never said they were worthless at all. But the attitude of some Championship fans is that they should get preferential treatment 'for the sake of the game' despite the fact that they=#FF0000 contribute less to the game as a whole than Super League and the amateur game. Case in point the Widnes (I think) poster than I originally quoted.'"
Nobody ' contributes ' to the game any more than anybody else
Everybody is in it for themselves , be it SL club , Championship club , amatuer club or the RFL
If you believe different you are an idiot
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"they probably should release the players they cant afford to keep.
though its fairly obvious most young players on the dual contract system are loaned out to aid their development rather than save some money'"
I think we will agree to differ on this one. Most sports, RL included, are not in the rudest financial health. Cost savings are paramount and if SL clubs can subsidise players yet still have complete control they will. The players welfare comes second, and the well-being of the championship club does not even register.
Why was Hetherington so keen to convert championship sides into feeder clubs (swelled by SL youth/ fringe players/those returning from injury)? Was it in firm belief that it would improve the RL community or was it a means of subsidising his running costs? (whilst also trying to pry the supporters and sponsors off the championship side/s) I think the latter.
Incidentally, this isn't a dig against super league, just what I believe is reality, which is, that as a business SL don't give a monkeys about anyone else. Some clubs cannot think strategically and for the good of the game because they are so rooted in the problems of the "now".
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| Quote ="Nozzy"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Gaskell
Looks like Wire picked him up at 18. Don't know which amateur team he played for.'"
he was on wigans academy books.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"its not really arrogant is it.
The lower leagues provide none of the visibility, money or [size=200players that they sport needs to exist[/size.
It is the least important part of the game, and whilst the game would suffer if any part of it were to disappear. We would suffer a huge amount more if we lost the money and visibility of Super League or the players and youth development and community involvement of the amateur game than if we were to lose the lower leagues'"
so leeds won't be signing any more players from whitehaven, doncaster featherstone or york then will they?? idiot
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| Quote ="Javier Mascherano"so leeds won't be signing any more players from whitehaven, doncaster featherstone or york then will they?? idiot'"
Obviously not JM. Nor will Salford sign future England internationals from Widnes .
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| Quote ="headhunter"Why do lower league fans think that the lower leagues constitute the 'game as a whole', and that they should get preferential treatment despite being by far the least important part of the sporting pyramid (amateur, semi-pro, elite)?'"
What is this ‘preferential treatment’ that the Championship fans are demanding?
Quote ="headhunter"What, so the Championship and Championship One are more important than Super League and the amateur game?'"
Who has said it is?
Quote ="headhunter"I never said they were worthless at all. But the attitude of some Championship fans is that they should get preferential treatment 'for the sake of the game' despite the fact that they contribute less to the game as a whole than Super League and the amateur game. Case in point the Widnes (I think) poster than I originally quoted.'"
A few posters on here don’t really amount to much. Certainly not enough to condemn the thousands who do not use message boards such as this.
The Championships imo, are an important part of the game and do contribute to its well being.
It does contribute to player development, via its own youth development and now also by giving SL youngsters a tougher opportunity to hone their skills in the Championships via Dual-Reg deals.
It provides a continual career path for older players that would help make it a more attractive long term career to get involved in.
It contributes several thousand extra fans and interest in the game, who will also want to watch SL games on Sky as a result. Thus adding to the overall viewing figures.
It also inspires local youngsters to play the game in their area and helps keep youngsters coming through those local amateur sides and school teams. Not all youngsters who come through SL clubs academies are from the town of that SL club. Many will be from Championship club areas. It’s not only players either, but coaches, physios, trainers, and officials etc…
The Championship is now also broadcast to the nation, thus helping to showcase the game and spread interest in it even more. It’s certainly more exposure for RL, that’s for sure.
SL is not the be-all-and-end-all of the sport – it just isn’t. It is certainly its pinnacle and generates the greatest interest, but it seems somewhat arrogant and wrong-headed to write off the Championships' worth the way you and Smokey do.
There was a cracking game on Sky between Leigh and Barrow last night. It was a bit scrappy in parts, but there was still a lot of skill, big hit’s and enthusiasm, and it turned out to be a real thriller.
It’s also not totally unreasonable for fans of Championship clubs to ask for a little piece of the pie, given what they DO actually contribute to the sport. No-one is seriously asking for anything like what SL clubs get, and we’re certainly not asking for any [i‘preferential treatment’[/i.
The game would be poorer, if the Championships didn't exist - a lot poorer imo.
Oh. and JC is actually a Leyther, and not a Widnes fan.
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| Quote ="Pepe"What is this ‘preferential treatment’ that the Championship fans are demanding?
Who has said it is?
A few posters on here don’t really amount to much. Certainly not enough to condemn the thousands who do not use message boards such as this.
The Championships imo, are an important part of the game and do contribute to its well being.
It does contribute to player development, via its own youth development and now also by giving SL youngsters a tougher opportunity to hone their skills in the Championships via Dual-Reg deals.
It provides a continual career path for older players that would help make it a more attractive long term career to get involved in.
It contributes several thousand extra fans and interest in the game, who will also want to watch SL games on Sky as a result. Thus adding to the overall viewing figures.
It also inspires local youngsters to play the game in their area and helps keep youngsters coming through those local amateur sides and school teams. Not all youngsters who come through SL clubs academies are from the town of that SL club. Many will be from Championship club areas. It’s not only players either, but coaches, physios, trainers, and officials etc…
The Championship is now also broadcast to the nation, thus helping to showcase the game and spread interest in it even more. It’s certainly more exposure for RL, that’s for sure.
SL is not the be-all-and-end-all of the sport – it just isn’t. It is certainly its pinnacle and generates the greatest interest, but it seems somewhat arrogant and wrong-headed to write off the Championships' worth the way you and Smokey do.
There was a cracking game on Sky between Leigh and Barrow last night. It was a bit scrappy in parts, but there was still a lot of skill, big hit’s and enthusiasm, and it turned out to be a real thriller.
It’s also not totally unreasonable for fans of Championship clubs to ask for a little piece of the pie, given what they DO actually contribute to the sport. No-one is seriously asking for anything like what SL clubs get, and we’re certainly not asking for any [i‘preferential treatment’[/i.
The game would be poorer, if the Championships didn't exist - a lot poorer imo.
Oh. and JC is actually a Leyther, and not a Widnes fan.'" nice one pepe.a proper rugby league man,not just a troll
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| Smokeys assessment is bang on.
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| Quote ="Codarmysaint"Smokeys assessment is bang on.'"
Which one ? , because at the moment he's not got a good record
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| Awesome post pepe, you smelly git.
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| Quote ="Pepe"What is this ‘preferential treatment’ that the Championship fans are demanding?'" Maybe not preferential treatment as such, but I've seen on plenty of occasions some Championship fans that seem to think that the RFL should be funding their clubs for 'the good of the game', which as I tried to point out is ludicrous since in the grand scheme of things investment in the Championships would do less for the game than investing in Super League and the amateur game. Some fans seem to want disproportionate treatment just because they have some mixed up belief that their club represents the 'good of the game'. Not that I said '[isome[/i' fans, not all.
Regarding the rest of your post, you don't need to tell me what the Championship brings, I'm not stupid, I follow the leagues. I've probably been to more Championship games as a neutral than most on here, I will get to as many Scorpions games as possible this season and I watch on Sky when I can. In an ideal world, the Championship clubs would get a little more funding. However, for an 'investment in the game' I'd much rather that money be spent on developing the amateur game, which is what the RFL are doing.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Maybe not preferential treatment as such, but I've seen on plenty of occasions some Championship fans that seem to think that the RFL should be funding their clubs for 'the good of the game', which as I tried to point out is ludicrous since in the grand scheme of things investment in the Championships would do less for the game than investing in Super League and the amateur game. Some fans seem to want disproportionate treatment just because they have some mixed up belief that their club represents the 'good of the game'. Not that I said '[isome[/i' fans, not all.
Regarding the rest of your post, you don't need to tell me what the Championship brings, I'm not stupid, I follow the leagues. I've probably been to more Championship games as a neutral than most on here, I will get to as many Scorpions games as possible this season and I watch on Sky when I can. In an ideal world, the Championship clubs would get a little more funding. However, for an 'investment in the game' I'd much rather that money be spent on developing the amateur game, which is what the RFL are doing.'"
Maybe if the RFL just stopped p1551ng on us at every opportunity we would be a tad less upset about it
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| Edited for accuracy.
Quote ="headhunter"Super League fans that seem to think that the RFL should be funding their clubs for 'the good of the game'
Some Super League fans seem to want disproportionate treatment just because they have some mixed up belief that their club represents the 'good of the game'. Not that I said '[isome[/i' fans, not all.'"
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| Quote ="Pepe"Edited for accuracy. '" What does that have to do with my post? If you can't be bothered to reply properly, then I can only assume you don't have any relevant arguments to anything I've written.
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| Quote ="headhunter"What does that have to do with my post? If you can't be bothered to reply properly, then I can only assume you don't have any relevant arguments to anything I've written.'"
It's called irony and I’m not surprised that it went right over your head.
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| Quote ="Dreamer"I think we will agree to differ on this one. Most sports, RL included, are not in the rudest financial health. Cost savings are paramount and if SL clubs can subsidise players yet still have complete control they will. The players welfare comes second, and the well-being of the championship club does not even register.
Why was Hetherington so keen to convert championship sides into feeder clubs (swelled by SL youth/ fringe players/those returning from injury)? Was it in firm belief that it would improve the RL community or was it a means of subsidising his running costs? (whilst also trying to pry the supporters and sponsors off the championship side/s) I think the latter.
Incidentally, this isn't a dig against super league, just what I believe is reality, which is, that as a business SL don't give a monkeys about anyone else. Some clubs cannot think strategically and for the good of the game because they are so rooted in the problems of the "now".'"
Nonsense. GH wants the championship to be a feeder league because it will better prepare his youngsters for SL. The better his youngsters the better his team, the better his team the more fans, more money etc etc.
It also has the by-product of a better international set up which in turn will give the game more visibility more money etc etc
The Cost saving for part of a contract of a few part time youth players will be of negligible consideration
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