err Adelaide averaged over 13,000 and had the biggest membership of any NRL club so sorry but there was obviously interest there if we had perservered with it. Considering we have had no RL profile here we have produced a damn site more than Victoria who has had an NRL team and SOO games for over a decade.

Cory Patterson, Matt Peterson, Daniel Holdsworth, Lee Te Mari, Jon Green all have recently played NRL and came through the WARL for starters. We have another handful in NSW/Q'land cup and Toyota cup. For a place that has been ignored for over a decade thats not bad going.

ps When was the last time Cronulla got a crowd over 20,000? They have only ever once averaged over 14,000 in their entire 40 year+ history. Ironically one of their biggest home crowds ever was in 1991 when they played a home game in Perth!

Some people believe that our game isn't good enough to take to the uneducated and get them interested. personally I think it is the best game in teh world and if you sell it right there is no reason RL can't be popular in any city in any country. You do realise that EVERY club in EVERY city started at some point in time and had to grow to where it is now don't you? Cronullas first season they averaged less than 6,000!

Look at all the sad bitter moaning Widnes fans contributing to this thread, jesus christ you lot need to get over yourselves and move on.

Oh wait hang on a minute...

Yeah we should only have founder member clubs, kick out Celtic, Cas, Hull KR, Catalans and Quins and bring back Brighouse, Broughton, Liversedge, Tyldersly, Stockport and Manningham

Did it ever actually cross your mind that the visit of certain away teams might actually attract more HOME fans?

Example, I'd much rather watch Hull vs Catalans than Hull vs Salford. And apparently, so would 500+ Hull fans if you look at the attendances for the two games. You seem to assume that the difference in crowds are only due to the number of away fans.

The fact that Catalans also have the 6th highest crowd average this season also doesn't help your point.

At the end of the day, you haven't really thought this through very well, have you!

Spot on Welsley, some teams bring in more home fans.

It was over a very short period of time.




Fella, I am not comparing VIC, SA and WA. I was cimparing Shrkies with an expansion outfit from out west.



That's nowhere near as good as the amount who have come out of the 'Shire. Even Woollooware High School has produced more quality players than WA.




They get the occasional big crowd. Saying that, it has to be in abig game and they have to be doing relatively well at the time. In 2001 and 2002, they got a number of big crowds, I remember the crowds being particularly high against St George, Paramatta and Newcastle.

I am no expert on crowds, and to be honest I cannot be bothered at this moment to go looking for stats on the web. I would guess that they are by no means one of the least well supported teams in the NRL.



I can't accept that. Credit though for your enthusiasm and passion for the game though.



To be fair to the Sharkies, the area had a good RL pedigree to begin with.

That is prety much what that fat bloke who used to be at Halifax put forward at the last Superleague think tank.I think its a goer

Booo to quins, kick 'em out I say! Boooooooooooo!

Bramley.

You and I both know Rugby League will always be to poor relation to Rugby Union in South Wales.

Thats the way it has always been, and the way it always will be.


Celtic havent been going long and already they are on about shifting games to Wrexham and Newport in the hope of attracting more fans.

So you don't want kids then?

Of course.

You will always get big crowds for Wigan v St Helens , Leeds v Bradford etc etc.

But those clubs will also bring more away fans to the games.

So the attendances are higher.

So more money will be taken at the gate.

Which can only be good for all concerned.


The way hull are playing nowadays I would have thought you would sooner see them take on Salford personally

Good for you. But are you a londoner or are you just PTPP? (Passing through and pulling Pints)



You are not, never have been and in all likelyhood, never will be banned from our boards. The fact that you tried to start a row and got owned and then ran away....isn't banning, it just highlights your lack of intelligence. HTH



Yep........that's it. Forget trying to expand, forget that Celtics junior accademy wiped the floor with everyone this year and forget LMS and Clubb are cockney international players....It'll never catch on.

If you are going to try to bait people I suggest you change the record. We are the bast@rd child of SLY TV and the RFL and we are here to stay....get used to it fella

Except I am.




And as I said to the moderator who messaged me a few times .....I really don't care



I'm not a London RL fan


Along with most other people who live in London it seems

YOU ARE NOT BANNED. Say it as many times as you wan't, but you are not banned from the Quins board.....you just get owned every time you go on there

Great to hear you're not a London RL fan......I haven't been a London RL fan since 2005.
As for nobody watching the game in London.....who cares? As I said, we are the bast@rd lovechild of Murdoch and Lewis and we will always be in Superleague....great, innit!

In those seven bolded words, you've shown yourself up again. What on earth is wrong with "trying to attract new fans"? What is wrong with trying new things?

Catalans have spoken about moving games to Barcelona - is that a sign of desperation?

I'm not saying that RL will overtake RU in Wales, it won't. That doesn't mean it's wasted effort. There is still, I believe, a market there.

And how are those problems solved by putting a team in Cumbria where many of the problems you slag Celtic off for (ground, crowds, finance) still exist?

Depends what your definition of 'great' is



If you think toddling off down to a ground (that Quins don't own) which is commonly referred to as 'The Moon' amongst footy fans in London (no atmosphere and no one goes there) to watch substandard Rugby League where the inevitable result is that Quins will miss out on the play offs yet AGAIN is 'great' then I am genuinely very happy for you

so we agree then? You are a tw@!
Now that's settled we can continue the conversation. The Moon? Commonly known where? The walkabout doesn't count.....it's full of barmen on their days off (as is every other crim pub for that matter).
Substandard RL? OK, we may well miss out on the 8, but who cares? From being 100% crim in 2003 to fielding more English players than some other "traditional teams" and still sitting in 5th place with a game in hand......I'll take that. Substandard by the way is a term should be reserved for the DULL 5HIT dished up in the NRL every week.
Let's face it, you know SFA about anything to do with the attitude of the public in London. You think that you and your mates sitting around having a beer is a snapshot of what 8,000,000 think? Yeah right


Galipoli is a perfect example of the only thing 'stralians like you are good for.......fodder!
Jog on

We took about 700-800 this year

Trust me.

The stoop is known around London as the 'Moon' when Quins RL play there owing to the lack of atmosphere and the fact no one ever goes there.

You probably don't realise this because as you appear to frequent the Stoop yourself, there is clearly no one else there to ask.



No need to show disrespect to the many brave Aussies and Kiwis that died at Gallipoli (I spelled it correctly to try and help you from embarrassing yourself further) just because you are rattled.



This is a footy forum.

We should be trying to expand our game but only after rugby league is at it's best where it is already being played. Rugby league has not yet gone to it's full potential in the areas where it is strongest.

Catalans have been a breath of fresh air in super league are by far the best expansion success story but have Hull KR not been just as much of a success story, so could we not have another Hull KR waiting in the lower leagues.

I am all for expansion but certainly not at the expence of Widnes and Halifax.

Absolutely 100% spot on.

No one could argue with that.

I for one would always have a league club 300 metres from the gates of Yawnion HQ. If Quins Rl fail the Yawnion lot will say told You so and NICK more of skys money for a game No one watches except the 6 nations and Englands games against Southern hemisphere sides.HTFH

Its had a 100 years, how long you wanna give it

i've said this before, quins are to be applauded for the work they have done with their academy, there are at least 3 lads who would never have played league if quins didn't exist. tony clubb LMS and will sharpe are certainly international quality players who have come through the ranks. also quins are hardly a new club, they have been going nigh on 30 years...........

I take it you want there to continue to be only 3 nations able to play high standard, competitive Internationals in RL then. That would be result of dropping Celtic, Quins and Catalans even if the TV contract wasn't cut as a result of them being dropped.

England's latest games against Wales and France show clearly that a team full of full-time pros will walk all over one with a mix of pro and semi-pro players every time. Consequently, to have more countries able to compete internationally they must be able to call on full-time pros for their national teams. Without the expansion teams in SL, where will they get those players from??

Let's suppose that RL did go back to its' traditional areas while RU continues to expand. What players would stick with RL when they could get more money and go more places playing RU then??