Funny I had that same dream last night but then I work up and smelt the coffee

Ambitious!
If Wigan come 6th I'll be astounded. Happy, but mostly astounded!

The positions of the top 5/6 are anyone's guess.
After that you have a middle group of
Hull, hull KR , Salford who will fight for the other top 8 places
Then Cas, Wakey, Bradford and Widnes fighting to stay in the top 12
Then poor London. I'd love them to surprise everyone and stay up, the explosion on here would be comedy gold, but they are really up against it, more than any other side I've seen in SL

Top three in any order - Huddersfield, Saints & Wigan.
4 & 5, Warrington and Leeds.
6-9, HullFC, HullKR, Catalans, Salford.
10-14, Bradford, Cas, Wakey, Widnes and London.

As a Wigan fan I hop we win it, also fear Wakey or Widnes and London will be relegated. Why did clubs like Cas, Wakey, Widnes & London vote for relegation?

All teams wanted a reduction to 12 & the return of P&R.

After the initial reduction to 12, the 12x8 structure favours SL teams staying in SL whereas instant P&R would mean they spend a season out of SL if they finish bottom. Being able to finish bottom of the league and still be odds on to stay in SL the next season is very much in their best interests.

Relegation in the past has meant all players contract are void and cancelled.
I think this will apply to this season but we've not been advised if this will continue from 2015.
I just can't understand why a club would vote for relegation knowing half their staff will be made redundent.

I'd guess because the game's stagnating with the same teams not competing in SL, champ teams aren't getting a fair crack at the whip which in turn means that the championship has no motivation. Also it seems the teams want a larger portion of funding because there isn't enough to go around 14 teams, though the RFL and presumably at least some clubs would like some of that spread to the championship to help promote competition. Oh, and the many meaningless games for bottom of the league clubs & having nothing to play for.

Warrington
St Helens
Wigan

Leeds, Catalan and Hudsersfield in any order

Hull FC and Salford to make up the 8

Hull KR, Cas and Widnes in the safe towards end of season group

Bradford, Wakefield to fight it out to stay up

London bottom

Gary Hetherington through his wife and James rule controll wakeys and the widnes vote , London and Bradford are in the debt of the rfl so another couple of yes votes

Salford will self destruct by mid season, Hock will be gone Morley injured and Chase having a hissy fit, can see them in the bottom 4 yet again.

Can see the league being in the same 1-5, 6-9, 10-14 groups as last year.

Your going to eat your words son.

You think. They beat an understrength Leigh 26-16. Although you think they didn't get out of first gear. Seeing as its Salfords first outing how do you you know what is 4th gear.

Mate you could hardly get out of your own half at times, only penalties helped you when you did the weather evened the game up massively Aswel. Anyway everyone can have their own opinions but if you think Leigh are one of the favs for the championship playing a completely new team without their first choice front row and first choice strike player you did pretty well not to be on the end of a hiding. It's only a friendly anyway matches like this are more used like training sessions for SL teams.

Gonna stick my neck out here and say
Saints - Leeds grand final.

Top four in no order
saints, Leeds, Huddersfield, Warrington

Although it's a close call between Wigan/Warrington

maybe, time will tell but think the dressing room has disharmony written all over it.

maybe, time will tell but think the dressing room has disharmony written all over it.

Cant disagree with those predictions.

The only thing i would add is one of those top 9 teams will have an injury crisis and finish lower down. It seems to happen every year to one team ( usually Hull !).

Hull FC to finish in the bottom 3.

No chance, not with teams like London, Wakefield, Castleford, and Widnes about. Even Salford are getting overhyped imo.
We're far from great but we'll finish 6th I reckon.

That would be the shock of the decade. They should be looking at 6-8th if not higher

at worst battling it out with rovers for 8th, but we should be looking at 6th - decent squad with a bit of depth and at last some junior players coming through. but its always a bit of a gamble with a rookie coach at this level

Stick to "kick & clap" mate, with predictions like that.

I reckon that Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Wire, and Huddersfield will be finishing in the top 5 although it's anyone' guess as to what order they will finish - I've had a bash at putting them in order. I then think that Catalan are in a league by themselves for claiming the 6th placed spot before a mini league consisting of the two Hull teams and Salford. I'm going with Salford to fill the 9th spot purely because I think that they may still be gelling for the first few months of the season.
I also have gone for London to fill the bottom spot, although it's still remains to be seen if they will get more new players before the season starts. Again I believe there will be a 4 way battle for the remaining relegation spot between Bradford, Cas, Wakey, and Widnes where I have gone for Widnes to occupy the final spot as Wakey always seem to pull together when people write them off. Of course I'm relying on teams not having to sell anymore players due to debts, and top teams playing their full strength teams in their away games at Widnes this season (seems certain teams put a reduced strength team out due to the fear of the artificial turf).

As always I'll be nowhere near with my prediction



1 - Wigan Warriors
2 - St Helens
3 - Leeds Rhino's
4 - Warrington Wolves
5 - Huddersfield Giants
6 - Catalan Dragons
7 - Hull Kr
8 - Hull FC
9 - Salford Red Devils
10 - Bradford Bulls
11 - Castleford Tigers
12 - Wakefield Wildcats
......................................
13 - Widnes Vikings
14 - London Broncos

London only lost 12-16 at Catalans yesterday and apparently looked a reasonable side, which might make the bottom of the table less obvious than it appeared earlier.

I'd absolutely love it if London avoided the drop. The explosion on here would be awesome


What side did Cats put out against them though? Preseason friendlies are a terrible indicator of where a team is at

Nobody really has any idea about how things will pan out, I've not seen a single one of the SL teams play yet in pre season but I'll have a guess based on business in the off season.

Wigan - Lost Tomkins but he was absent a chunk of last season too, Green and Smith have had a season to gel
Saints - Hit their straps in summer, one to watch
Huddersfield - Unless Brough misses for significant parts. The one man most important to any team
Leeds - Solid
Wire - Loss of Briers very big, will anyone step up?
Catalans - Done pretty good business and a good crop of young players
Hull KR - We've recruited well in what was a weak pack, much depends on how Keating fills Dobson's boots
Salford - Really don't have a clue where they will come, too many ifs and buts so 8th will do
Hull FC - Decent on paper but lack depth of quality
Widnes - Some very good performances at the back end of last year, think they will surprise a few
Cas - Seymour should bring a more structured style, obviously not in the same league as Rangi but will go okay I think
Bradford - Going to make hard work of 2014 IMO
Wakey - Struggle after being stripped of a lot of quality over winter
London - Hope not but see some hidings coming this season, last by a distance