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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Thats why they are the best national team in the world!'"
its because the warriors play in the NRL
the WC final was one team of nrl players playing another team of nrl players (except one)
perhaps an english team should also join the nrl to help your national side
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good article but dream on
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| Quote ="Catalancs"good article but dream on'"
union is getting crowds of 4000 - 6000 for some games
the warriors got close to 18,000 last night
how would you define that?
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| Quote ="dally messenger"union is getting crowds of 4000 - 6000 for some games
the warriors got close to 18,000 last night
how would you define that?'"
mate, i'm all for league growing in any country but i just can't see it taking over from union.
the thing is that union will just change the rules and move even closer to league.
the union world cup in 2011 will again be boring but i guarentee it sells out. corporate tickets will take care of that
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| Quote ="Catalancs"mate, i'm all for league growing in any country but i just can't see it taking over from union.
the thing is that union will just change the rules and move even closer to league.
the union world cup in 2011 will again be boring but i guarentee it sells out. corporate tickets will take care of that
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they just brought in the ELVs and its still going backwards
meanwhile the quality of the nrl just improves.
as the article says, RL is gaining loads of new fans bored from union
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| union is dieing out . beleive me
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| Quote ="fredie"union is dieing out . beleive me
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id love to believe you and dally but im a sceptic when it comes to this.
union fans are funny folk and will sit on their backsides rather than go to a league game.
over here in europe is a class thing to a certain degree and when i was in australia it was a social and intelectual thing.
the favourite joke of my union loving workmate in sydney was:
what's the difference between a league player and a rugby player?
a degree.
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| class is very relevant in australia too
RU comes from the private schools where league isnt played
look at the success of the nz warriors since they came into the nrl, and their impact on the Kiwi RL team (WC and tri nations winners)
there are loads of talented kiwi players now.
and remember RL wages are still fairly low compared to ru.
the next TV deal will sort that out
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| Quote ="dally messenger"class is very relevant in australia too
RU comes from the private schools where league isnt played
look at the success of the nz warriors since they came into the nrl, and their impact on the Kiwi RL team (WC and tri nations winners)
there are loads of talented kiwi players now.
and remember RL wages are still fairly low compared to ru.
the next TV deal will sort that out'"
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| Quote ="Catalancs"fingers crossed'"
if you get a chance, watch some nrl to see what its like this year.
its been brilliant.
union is going to have a tough time competing with it
edit : some australian commentators think the warriors will win the NRL title.
can you imagine what that would do for RL in NZ?
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| Quote ="Catalancs"mate, i'm all for league growing in any country but i just can't see it taking over from union.
the thing is that union will just change the rules and move even closer to league.
the union world cup in 2011 will again be boring but i guarentee it sells out. corporate tickets will take care of that
'" Yes they will they have no choice but too,there game is crap as we speak .There only way of survival is merging with the greatest game of all.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"if you get a chance, watch some nrl to see what its like this year.
its been brilliant.
union is going to have a tough time competing with it
edit : some australian commentators think the warriors will win the NRL title.
can you imagine what that would do for RL in NZ?'"
surely winning the world cup is as good as it gets!
if they can't capitalise on that for the next 4 years there's no hope
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| Quote ="Catalancs"id love to believe you and dally but im a sceptic when it comes to this.
union fans are funny folk and will sit on their backsides rather than go to a league game.
over here in europe is a class thing to a certain degree and when i was in australia it was a social and intelectual thing.
the favourite joke of my union loving workmate in sydney was:
what's the difference between a league player and a rugby player?
a degree.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"surely winning the world cup is as good as it gets!
if they can't capitalise on that for the next 4 years there's no hope'"
the club game means more
as an example, when the warriors made the semi finals in 2002, their TV games were getting as high ratings on TV as All blacks test.
when the warriors beat the storm in the semi final last year it made the front page of the NZ papers, whilst an All Blacks win got the back page
winning the NRL is a much higher achievement that the WC imo
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| Quote ="dally messenger"the club game means more
as an example, when the warriors made the semi finals in 2002, their TV games were getting as high ratings on TV as All blacks test.
when the warriors beat the storm in the semi final last year it made the front page of the NZ papers, whilst an All Blacks win got the back page
winning the NRL is a much higher achievement that the WC imo'"
well that's a sad state of affairs in my opinion.
league really has to push the international scene. not wanting to blow our own trumpet but there is an impressive international calender in 2009 in the northern hemisphere.
[urlhttp://www.rlef.eu.com[/url
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| being honest, the credibility of it is poor
winning it isnt as big as it should be
its been neglected for too long.
we need more strong teams.
france and wales should improve a lot over the next decade and hopefully PNG will get an nrl side to help them
even winning the WC NZ still need much more development to match australia. a 2nd NZ NRL side is needed.
the NRL is very credibile in comparison
to win it you have to be good for so much longer than the World Cup where New Zealand werent that good until the final.
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| nz were good enough too win the tri nations aswell
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| Quote ="Catalancs"mate, i'm all for league growing in any country but i just can't see it taking over from union.
the thing is that union will just change the rules and move even closer to league.
the union world cup in 2011 will again be boring but i guarentee it sells out. corporate tickets will take care of that
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now its funny you should mention that i was arguing the same point a few years ago with two very high level RU referee's with the new ruck laws they have with people not reay contesting (very hard to turn over a ruck now) there is almost no pointin contesting as you lose men on your defensive line.
i said to them you give it 15 years and there wont be two codes there will be 1 and it'll look like the 13 man version. funnily enough they looked thoughouly unimpressed but failed to give a decent response.
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| Quote ="chubbs1981"now its funny you should mention that i was arguing the same point a few years ago with two very high level RU referee's with the new ruck laws they have with people not reay contesting (very hard to turn over a ruck now) there is almost no pointin contesting as you lose men on your defensive line.
i said to them you give it 15 years and there wont be two codes there will be 1 and it'll look like the 13 man version. funnily enough they looked thoughouly unimpressed but failed to give a decent response.'"
if that does happen it will be called rugby union and league will have been relegated to an amateur sport
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| Yawnion is having a bit of a tough time of it recently in NZ but mainly because of the overall poor performance of their teams in the "super" 14. If they were winning, even winning in a boring manner, there would be far less grumbling amongst their followers. What the ignorant bigots in the Australian RU press failed to mention when they were gloating about Gasnier and SBW chasing the money laundering Euros in France was that the All Blacks were losing far more players along the same route. If you were recruiting for French RU in any case it is far more sensible and risk free to chase successful players from the the same game, hence the talent drain from NZ.
I wouldn't under estimate the considerable support for yawnion in NZ, especially in the South Island - but lets hope RL can take advantage of the current situation and make some big steps forward.
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| Quote ="Ken Acker"Yawnion is having a bit of a tough time of it recently in NZ but mainly because of the overall poor performance of their teams in the "super" 14. If they were winning, even winning in a boring manner, there would be far less grumbling amongst their followers. What the ignorant bigots in the Australian RU press failed to mention when they were gloating about Gasnier and SBW chasing the money laundering Euros in France was that the All Blacks were losing far more players along the same route. If you were recruiting for French RU in any case it is far more sensible and risk free to chase successful players from the the same game, hence the talent drain from NZ.
I wouldn't under estimate the considerable support for yawnion in NZ, especially in the South Island - but lets hope RL can take advantage of the current situation and make some big steps forward.'"
a few years ago in a pub in auckland i was chatting league with one of the locals and he talked about a team on the south island to join the warriors in the nrl.
he also told me he'd love to see a origin type game north vs south island. how realistic and feasible would that be?
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| Quote ="Catalancs"a few years ago in a pub in auckland i was chatting league with one of the locals and he talked about a team on the south island to join the warriors in the nrl.
he also told me he'd love to see a origin type game north vs south island. how realistic and feasible would that be?'"
it was supposed to happen but the aussie clubs killed it off
they should take a real origin game to auckland
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| we should be pushing for atleast another team in nz for nrl .maybe even 3-4 teams
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| Quote ="fredie"we should be pushing for atleast another team in nz for nrl .maybe even 3-4 teams
'" NZ is only a small place. Look at some of the states in the US that are much larger than NZ but only have one NFL team.
Adding more teams isn't the answer, especially until the Warriors are consistently geting good crowds even when they're losing.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"they should take a real origin game to auckland'" Much weaker dollar, traditionally smaller crowds, timezone differences for tv viewers, playing a state of origin match in another country. I can't think of a single reason why they should get one.
If that SPARC report is to believed the NZRL prefer to play Kiwi games in Aiustralia because the revenue is much larger. I can't see the ARL willing to lose money, which is what they'd do if they played a game in NZ.
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