You are mad dally, seriously. Things are not that easy. RL is in a slight mess here. We need years of building before being the big sport you try and make RL out to be in England.

They are well out of the recession in Australia and are reaping the benefits of loads of natural resources......but remember, some of the posters on here from down under think as their country as the world......the recession is still hitting hard pretty much everywhere else which tells you how insular they can be down under

Saints wouldn't get higher averages than Wigan I don't think.

Lol comments like "we're middle class" make me laugh, does it even exist except to those that think they are??

which bit is unrealistic?

saints at 15,000?
widnes at 6000 growing to 10,000?

seriously if these clubs cant average this in new grounds, in the heartlands with no real competition from other sports you guys should just give up

if you think the RFL will kick out salford now that they are building their ground you need help.

To answer you question...it does exist. The difference between middle and working class is you credit score and ability to get credit.....and the distribution of credit to the working calss has resulted in the current recession
Proof!

and the people giving them that credit were the upper classes who didnt care because they get million dollar bonuses.

NRL :

average year to date : 17,749

best -

broncos 35,514
storm 21,186
saints 20,258
souths 20,078
tigers 19,743
eels 18,542
dogs 17,989

worst -

sharks 11,609
panthers 13,850
cowboys 14,374

and your point is?
Aspiration is just another form of jealousy....kind of like league being green eyed over unions INTERNATIONAL appeal and it being the other way around DOMESTICALLY ......everyone wants to keep up with the joneses.

No that's quite wrong. Bankers lending to [uanyone[/u at unsustainable income multipliers or "self certified" income propping up an artificially strong housing market added to the solely bonus related purchases of "sub prime" mortgages in the States was the catalyst for the recession.

Investors bailing out of the worst effected banks (Northern Rock) creating a shortage in the money supply compounded by the banks then virtually putting a freeze on lending brought on the recession. The working classes are just the ones who happened to lose their jobs.

Yes Brother....whatever you say!
GREED and the jealousy of people thinking they could live the DFS 4 year interest free lifestyle caused this dip. As usual, the 1% of the population controlled what went on, but don't for one second say the poor working
class people are the victims here......they all have SKY tv, mobile phones etc.....you cut your cloth accordingly and the majority of the UK didn't....easy to balme Goldmans though isn't it

the poor guy that is encouraged into overpaying for a house he cant afford doesnt get any leniency

but the fat cats that lent him that money get bonuses and taxpayer bail outs

id love to get a bail out every time i make a mistake in business

heck northern rock even bailed out the newcaastle union team, taking over their ground for millions more than it was worth

if only the working man and RL got help like that

True Dally but unlike Australia, we HAD to bail out the banks there was absolutely no alternative, they are too big. You probably wouldn't have the same problem, what with there being no real banks of any note over there


The bonus system, well, go and do some reading. This isn't an economics class.
But yes, this is why Rugby League will continue to limp along at least for the next couple of years. Especially when fathers are leaving their kids at home who are the next generation.

The positive is that they can't afford the soccer either.

As for Wembley.. If you associate me with you screbs that live in council flats in Orford then.. How many windows have you got?

STOP.....STOP believing what the papers tell you......you will only dig a deeped hole for yourself.

Eveyone admits that the fat cats are responsible.....but it was the people who applied for the credit they couldn't afford who drove this recession to where it is now. If you can't afford it, you can't have it.....always a good way to run your life.
Just because an advert says you can afford it doesn't mean you can. Blame where Blame is due.....but remember who asked for the loans in the first place.

Anyone who wants to discuss the banking crisis, sub-prime mortgages or economic policy can do so on the Sin Bin. This is a rugby league thread on a rugby league forum. Stay on topic.

But it is related to this thread, in every way.
Warringtons attendances dropped about 20% throughout the recession and they weren't the only club. The recession has had a massive impact on Rugby League and the 'types' that follow it.

you can't compare Oz to UK in current economic climate

there is NO recession in Oz and there never has been one

Money is tight in the UK and people have had to curb their spending

this isn't the case in OZ

The people most greatly affected are the people that watch Rugby League.
Even soccers been affected but the big sides can all pull fans from everywhere. Ridiculous waiting lists for soccer season tickets at some clubs

we are actually in boom in Western Australia!

Normally i wouldnt agree with dally over you but, have you ever considered that many of thos foolish people applying for credit they couldnt afford, could afford it before the economy went pear shaped and they found themselves unemployed or on reduced hours.

I wonder if anybody else's posts will get deleted?

Not trying to start anything here, but what would the average crowds be like if Quins and Salford were not in SL?

I like Salford, they are a team I would love to see grow into something much bigger and quins, well, they are in the league for obvious reasons.

Would the average go up much?

Both Salford and Quins average attendanced drag the overall average down, but the reason they are in SL is to try to grow the game and I get the impression that the RFL aren't as bothered about their gates as some fans are.
I have made it my lifes work (well, more of a hobby really

) disecting the attendances in London since 2000 and to be honest, I don't think there is a simple answer to our poor gates and why people don't come to games.

The real issue with small gates is revenue and apparently, Quins are covered for any losses they make by David Hughes. Not ideal, but he stated recently that Quins RL had no overdraft and didn't want one either. Not many clubs in professional sports can boast that I would think.

Having not lived in the Salford area I can't comment about the other distractions on offer, but I don't think a new ground is the answer......as in they won't add 5k to ther average overnight.

As the RFL are assisting Celtic and Catalans market themselves, maybe they should look to assist Salford and London as well.

St helens only has a 100k population, theyll need to draw from liverpool and surrounding areas if they have any chance of getting 15k, but if youve ever been to liverpool you would understand that is impossible, alot of them dont even know the shape of a Rugby ball and im being totally serious about that.

Widnes is just a small town, with lots of clubs around it no chance of growth beyond 8k imo.