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| Quote ="Starbug"These discrepencies, they alter the averages by how much?'"
Hardly any, but it does show that the guy providing the numbers can't even get them right and he's not at all credible. ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Hardly any, but it does show that the guy providing the numbers can't even get them right and he's not at all credible.
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Or that you are willing to be incredibly pedantic to make a point, which doesnt do much for your credibility
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Hardly any, but it does show that the guy providing the numbers can't even get them right and he's not at all credible.
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Hmmm....there are a numer of "different" declared attendances on various sites....to get a seasons attendance wrong by a few Hundred is hardly a hanging offence. Pedantry on the other hand ![Confused icon_confused.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_confused.gif)
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| Hahahaha.......the doom mongers don't like it when the King Doom Monger is corrected. ![SUBMISSION c020.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//c020.gif)
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| Quote ="William Eve"So where are Leeds Rhinos going wrong then?
[uLeeds Rhinos home attendances/averages by season[/u
2013 - *46,282/*3 = 14,289
2012 - 194,240/13 = 14,941
2011 - 196,192/13 = 15,092
2010 - 199,619/13 = 15,355
2009 - 205,058/13 = 15,774
2008 - 221,555/13 = 17,043
2007 - 228,259/13 = 17,558
2006 - 219,478/14 = 15,677
2005 - 238,169/14 = 17,012
2004 - 224,390/14 = 16,028'"
Here's another stat....3 out of Leeds' 4 home games have seen attendances that are higher than the average attendance for the last 2 years. Without context those stats could be used as a positive thing. But obviously nobody on here would use stats alone without context to try and prove a point, positive or negative, would they???
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| UPDATE...
AND THE TALE OF WOE CONTINUES
Catalan V Widnes in 2013 = 7,357
Catalan V Widnes in 2012 = 9,156
Percentage decrease in attendance = -19.65%
Huddersfield V Hull in 2013 = 5,536
Huddersfield V Hull in 2012 = 9,950
Percentage decrease in attendance = -44.36%
5 out of 5 fixtures thus far in SL Round 7 have registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.
34 out of a total of 46 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.
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| Ouch for those attendances tonight especially huddersfield
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| Quote ="j.c"Ouch for those attendances tonight especially huddersfield'"
Ouch indeed. I wonder if both clubs have a number of fans who follow both rugby and football (like me with Leeds) who decided to go to the games at Elland Road and the KC instead.
Not looking for excuses. Just wondering.
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| Quote ="FarsleySteve"Ouch indeed. I wonder if both clubs have a number of fans who follow both rugby and football (like me with Leeds) who decided to go to the games at Elland Road and the KC instead.
Not looking for excuses. Just wondering.'"
I think the Huddersfield one is a combination of football, weather and date. The previous year the fixture was on a Sunday afternoon where our attendances are significantly higher than other days. I'm not excusing it, just giving a logical explanation why.
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| Quote ="FarsleySteve"Ouch indeed. I wonder if both clubs have a number of fans who follow both rugby and football (like me with Leeds) who decided to go to the games at Elland Road and the KC instead.
Not looking for excuses. Just wondering.'"
Thats a good question at least were huddersfield are concerned.I believe the fans of the giants are now paying closer to the going rate to watch sl so maybe fans are having to choose now
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| our lot dont really like anything but sunday afternoon games, its been like that for years
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| Quote ="j.c"Thats a good question at least were huddersfield are concerned.I believe the fans of the giants are now paying closer to the going rate to watch sl so maybe fans are having to choose now'"
I think that's true for a lot of fans at a number of clubs.....I speak from experience.
I didn't see the game....what was the turnout like from Hull fans? They usually travel in good numbers.
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| Quote ="FarsleySteve"I think that's true for a lot of fans at a number of clubs.....I speak from experience.
I didn't see the game....what was the turnout like from Hull fans? They usually travel in good numbers.'"
I didn't see the game myself so sadly i couldn't say
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| Quote ="FarsleySteve"I think that's true for a lot of fans at a number of clubs.....I speak from experience.
I didn't see the game....what was the turnout like from Hull fans? They usually travel in good numbers.'"
to say how poor the crowd was, it was a good turnout from hull fans
anthing between 500-1000 i would say, but its hard to judge on tv etc
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| Quote ="adelaide-giant.no9"our lot dont really like anything but sunday afternoon games, its been like that for years'"
I'd be curious to see what would happen to attendances if they all went back to Sunday afternoons. I know its never going to happen, though.
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| It's not just Huddersfield attendances which are worrying. The 5 fixtures played in SL Round 7 so far have produced a total attendance of 44,454. The same 5 fixtures between the same teams last year produced a total attendance of 54,575 which is a percentage decrease of -18.55%.
Overall, SL attendances this year are currently down by over 10% for the same fixtures between the same teams.
SL 2013 - Total Attendance = 400,813/46 fixtures = Average 8,713
SL 2102 - Total Attendance = 445,695/46 fixtures = Average 9,689
% decrease = -10.07%
SmokeyTA's frequent and unsubstantiated boasts about SL attendances this year [i"being on course to set the 2nd best attendance levels in the history of the game"[/i are looking more and more foolish with each passing round of SL.
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| Worrying to who? Stats are great, but they don't always tell the full story. This really is a discussion for the back end of the season. If we are still this far behind then, then I will doth my cap to you. As it is, I'll get on with my life, enjoy my rugby, and let you lot get on with "worrying" about it.
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| Quote ="FarsleySteve"Worrying to who? Stats are great, but they don't always tell the full story. This really is a discussion for the back end of the season.'"
The RFL would disagree with you.
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| Quote ="William Eve"The RFL would disagree with you.'"
So, on top of everything else, you now know what the RFL are thinking. You're to be admired Billy.
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| Quote ="William Eve"The RFL would disagree with you.'"
Would they? Where have they expressed "worry" about this years attendances?
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"So, on top of everything else, you now know what the RFL are thinking.'"
It's more a case of recalling what the RFL actually do as opposed to what they are thinking. That would include a number of their own early season official announcements about SL attendances... like [url=http://www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=6801&type=news[uHERE[/u[/url and [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/24528/record-numbers-switching-on[uHERE[/u[/url for instance... something which the likes of SmokeyTA and now FarsleySteve believe is way too early and completely irrelevant unless it's the RFL conveying only positive messages about Super League whilst attempting to justify their six-figure salaries in some cases.
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| Quote ="FarsleySteve"Would they? Where have they expressed "worry" about this years attendances?'"
I think they should be a bit worried.
I think 45 thousand 'less paying spectators, is a big worry for sl.
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| Quote ="FarsleySteve"Would they? Where have they expressed "worry" about this years attendances?'"
The RFL haven't press-released a single syllable, word, sentence, article or expressed a single peep about SL attendances this year.
I wonder why?
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| So you're criticising an organisation for using marketing tools to try and promote themselves in a positive light? Name me an organisation that wouldn't do exactly the same? Of course id like to see crowds going through the roof, what fan of the sport wouldn't? The sport, and the rfl, are far from perfect. But spending endless hours collating stats to counteract a statement that was made over 12 months ago, seems a little pointless if im being honest. Is it not possible that there might be a bigger picture scenario going on here that isn't just affecting rugby league, and heaven forbid, isn't the fault of the RFL?
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| Oh and we didn't have a paying sponsor either when that announcement was made, so maybe, just maybe, the announcement of a thriving competition was a pitch for some money? I cant imagine "were doing ok this year, but itll probably be rubbish again next year" would have them queuing up. And yes, i know it didn't work before you say it........
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