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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Morley was a very very good second row when he left Leeds. Have a look at footage of him before he left if you want proof. He bulked up in Australia and transformed himself into the most feared prop in the competition.
I agree to an extent that Leeds have been riding on the coattails of the batch of kids developed almost ten years ago. We have produced a few others since - Smith, Hall, Ablett etc - who have been pretty good. But it can't be argued overall that we've really excelled since then.
I also disagree that it would be 'disruptive' to produce a lot more. If they can pressure the first team and even push out an established player sobeit. If not they'll leave and become established elsewhere. That's how its supposed to work anyway.
The fact is that in most positions Leeds haven't been producing real quality consistently. The club went outside for young forwards in Pitts, Ambler and Amor precisely because our own juniors weren't deemed good enough. We haven't produced a single halfback who is playing regularly in SL since Burrow/McGuire.
SL clubs generally don't produce enough quality juniors. Until we have fewer poor overseas players and genuine options in all positions for England then no club can or should be pointing the finger at anyone else.'"
Didn't Leeds produce Murrell, not always playing halfback though i guess. In terms of forwards Leeds also produced Scruton, Carvell and Dowes.
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| Good signing, gutted to miss out on him
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| Quote ="Bondi_Warrior"Good signing, gutted to miss out on him'"
He's English, Wigan wouldn't be interested.
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| Quote ="Roy Haggerty"That's not the sort of signing which is going to help Bradford get out of their slump.'"
As our 3rd/4th choice prop, i'd say it is.
It's better than having Danny Sculthorpe sitting on the sidelines, or having a second rower push up to prop.
He's not a superstar, but he's an improvement, and as long as that is the case I won't have a problem with any signing.
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| Quote ="Bondi_Warrior"Good signing, gutted to miss out on him'"
Good signing for us. Completes a very strong first choice pack for Saints next year:
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Good signing for us. Completes a very strong first choice pack for Saints next year:
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LMS
Puletua
Moore
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That'll be one of the best packs in the comp.
Bradford's doesn't look too shabby either imo:
Lynch
L'Estrange
Scruton
Elima
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Morley was a very very good second row when he left Leeds. Have a look at footage of him before he left if you want proof. He bulked up in Australia and transformed himself into the most feared prop in the competition.
I agree to an extent that Leeds have been riding on the coattails of the batch of kids developed almost ten years ago. We have produced a few others since - Smith, Hall, Ablett etc - who have been pretty good. But it can't be argued overall that we've really excelled since then.
I also disagree that it would be 'disruptive' to produce a lot more. If they can pressure the first team and even push out an established player sobeit. If not they'll leave and become established elsewhere. That's how its supposed to work anyway.
The fact is that in most positions Leeds haven't been producing real quality consistently. The club went outside for young forwards in Pitts, Ambler and Amor precisely because our own juniors weren't deemed good enough. We haven't produced a single halfback who is playing regularly in SL since Burrow/McGuire.
SL clubs generally don't produce enough quality juniors. Until we have fewer poor overseas players and genuine options in all positions for England then no club can or should be pointing the finger at anyone else.'"
I think you are wrong, and i think it is silly to expect any club to basically bring through a new crop of 17 players every year.
The big crop, the 'golden generation' werent produced 10 years ago, they came through 6-8 years ago
then the next generation of Ablett, Smith, Scruton, Murrell, came through 4-6 years ago,
then 2-4 years ago we had Hall, Golden, Fox and Burgess, Ratu, Gibson, Broughton and Allen,
and in the last two years we have seen, and are seeing Watkins, BJB, Clarkson, and Mcshane come through
we have brought through plenty, in all positions, Danny Allen left specifically because he couldnt get in in front of Danny Mcguire, and imo (though im sure some Wigan fans will disagree) nobody has brought through a SO better than Mcguire since Mcguire. Similarly im not sure anyone has brought through a winger I would take ahead of Hall or Smith.
Only the very very best are getting into the leeds first team, thats why it looks to be a fall, when in fact it isnt, it is simply raising the bar
The club went outside for those forwards for 2 reasons, 1) players like Pitts and Ambler were quality youngsters, they were scouted and the club thought they had what it takes to be special players and 2) this 2 year generation of forwards werent thought to be good enough. Which is fine, we arent going to produce at top level SL player in every position every 2 years, its not that this generation of players werent good enough, we have seen one already cement a first team place, another impress as first choice whilst on loan at another club, and they werent even the hottest prospect we have who would expect to have been a first team player by the end of this season if not for his injury, its simply that in one position, one where it is very hard to see who will make it at youth level we had no-one who stood out
but whilst every year or 2 we are seeing three or four come through to cement first team places, and one or two with the potential to go to the very very top then i dont think we can complain.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"As our 3rd/4th choice prop, i'd say it is.
It's better than having Danny Sculthorpe sitting on the sidelines, or having a second rower push up to prop.
He's not a superstar, but he's an improvement, and as long as that is the case I won't have a problem with any signing.'"
Bryn will do a decent job for you guys,nothing spectacular but very rarely injured and he will do a solid job for Bradford.
Anyway good luck Bryn and thanks for the effort you put in while you where at Saints.
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| There's a strong smell wafting over from Wigan............
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| Quote ="Sexual Deviant"There's a strong smell wafting over from Wigan............'"
Why?
Fielden has leathered Barry Mac and Jason Smith. He got caught flush against Mason. It happens.
I doubt very much he is scared.
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| 10 overseas players now for hull kr, sad and sorry state of affairs when clubs go down this road
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| Quote ="number 6"10 overseas players now for hull kr, sad and sorry state of affairs when clubs go down this road'"
Aye the Pride of East Hull!!
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Aye the Pride of East Hull!!'"
wouldn't suprise me if their new kit is green and gold next season
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| I don't think it's us that are green at the moment.
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"I don't think it's us that are green at the moment.'"
Your finances are certainly in the red
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| So if Hull KR have 10 overseas players, how are they getting away with it?
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| Quote ="Moomin"Why?
Fielden has leathered Barry Mac and Jason Smith. He got caught flush against Mason. It happens.
I doubt very much he is scared.'"
I do.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"So if Hull KR have 10 overseas players, how are they getting away with it?'"
Perhaps we will cop a fine for this blatant breach of the rules
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| Quote ="number 6"wouldn't suprise me if their new kit is green and gold next season
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Did you play in green and gold when the RL gave you Gateshead?
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| Quote ="Panda92"Your finances are certainly in the red
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And we could validate that more thoroughly if Rovers actually complied with Companies House filing deadlines.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"And we could validate that more thoroughly if Rovers actually complied with Companies House filing deadlines.
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How have you managed to prise yourself off the Rovers forum?
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| Quote ="roversmad"Perhaps we will cop a fine for this blatant breach of the rules
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You've already incurred one fine this week
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| Quote ="Saddened!"So if Hull KR have 10 overseas players, how are they getting away with it?'"
In case you genuinely don't know, players here since the 2008 season who would normally count as non-fed are essentially exempt from that rule. If they can combine that with possession of a suitable passport, they are free to sign for anybody without that club having to worry about any quota.
Vella and Galea have got Maltese passports, while Newton's mother is British iirc. Something similar must be true for Fisher (although there are rumours that he might move on, stretching back to last year). Lovegrove counts as club-trained - he has an exemption, but under the most recent version of the rules I've seen he doesn't actually need it anymore. Webster, Dobson, Clinton, Green and Mason will, I assume be our 5 quota/non-fed in 2011.
Importantly for the RFL's attempt to solve the problem of young players development being stunted through lack of opportunities, the club-trained quota rises to 8 next year. Rovers will probably have more than their fair share of [uyoung[/u british players in their squad, because we don't have as many senior club-trained players as longer-establihed SL clubs.
Hull, unfortunately for them, signed Dykes, Cusack, Byrne and Berrigan for the 2008 season. Only Berrigan remains (and their fans have mixed feelings about that), so they have been less well placed to take advantage of the, ahem, evolution of the rules. Berrigan's popularity could be set to rise though if, as rumoured, he can get off quota. Suitable NRL targets have already been suggested, as the domestic market is regarded as being such poor value...
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