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| Quote ="RLBandit"If this is an intelligence test, I admit defeat, because=#FF0000 I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You'd be great at the RFL you know...you really should apply for a job.'"
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| Quote ="William Eve"So where are Leeds Rhinos going wrong then?
[uLeeds Rhinos home attendances/averages by season[/u
2013 - *46,282/*3 = 14,289
2012 - 194,240/13 = 14,941
2011 - 196,192/13 = 15,092
2010 - 199,619/13 = 15,355
2009 - 205,058/13 = 15,774
2008 - 221,555/13 = 17,043
2007 - 228,259/13 = 17,558
2006 - 219,478/14 = 15,677
2005 - 238,169/14 = 17,012
2004 - 224,390/14 = 16,028'"
....They make a profit...they are doing nothing wrong......7% down (full season) and still in clover! They stole our Genius manager....that's where they're wrong ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="gutterfax"....They make a profit...they are doing nothing wrong......7% down (full season) and still in clover! They stole our Genius manager....that's where they're wrong
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It's more of a case that their band of "loyal" supporters no longer see the point in attending the weekly rounds and save their time, effort and cash until the real competition begins.
Joking apart, this is a fairly hefty drop in numbers for the champion team, usuaslly you would see an increase in attendances following a successful season.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"It's more of a case that their band of "loyal" supporters no longer see the point in attending the weekly rounds and save their time, effort and cash until the real competition begins.
Joking apart, this is a fairly hefty drop in numbers for the champion team, usuaslly you would see an increase in attendances following a successful season.'"
I'd say better to judge later in the season. 2 of our 3 home games have been attended by more than last years average. Only a smaller crowd against Salford has dragged this seasons average down. Suspect we will end up similar, if not higher than last year.
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| Quote ="William Eve"So where are Leeds Rhinos going wrong then?
[uLeeds Rhinos home attendances/averages by season[/u
2013 - *46,282/*3 = 14,289
2012 - 194,240/13 = 14,941
2011 - 196,192/13 = 15,092
2010 - 199,619/13 = 15,355
2009 - 205,058/13 = 15,774
2008 - 221,555/13 = 17,043
2007 - 228,259/13 = 17,558
2006 - 219,478/14 = 15,677
2005 - 238,169/14 = 17,012
2004 - 224,390/14 = 16,028'"
Your 2013 figure is nonsense. Why you keep perpetuating incomplete figures i dont know. It doesnt help your point.
In 2009 the Southstand was part closed, some of the fans who have left from there clearly havent moved to other parts of the ground, thats disappointing, but its also a huge undertaking to rectify that, one which the club needs to do right rather than quickly.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Sorry , did you say something ?
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Yes, I was showing your logic to be idiotic again. I like this new way of you accepting that though, It’s a lot quicker than when you pretend to have one of your senior moments.
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| Quote ="RLBandit"If this is an intelligence test, I admit defeat, because I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You'd be great at the RFL you know...you really should apply for a job.'"
I can’t help you with that. I’m not a teacher.
Maybe you should find an English teacher and set some SMART objectives to improve your comprehension skills? You probably wouldnt even have to pay, its not particularly difficult. Maybe an parent or trusted adult could help you?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Your 2013 figure is nonsense. Why you keep perpetuating incomplete figures i dont know. It doesnt help your point.
In 2009 the Southstand was part closed, some of the fans who have left from there clearly havent moved to other parts of the ground, thats disappointing, but its also a huge undertaking to rectify that, one which the club needs to do right rather than quickly.'"
How reassuring. Now we know that when attendances fall its because clubs are doing things right (rather than quickly). When attendances rise is it because clubs are doing things too quickly?
Incidentally, I asked a good friend of mine (a Leeds fans) how he felt about a side that was mediocre all year but then won the Grand Final. He explained that, as a one off, he'd take a GF Win over a great season followed by second place, but in the wider scheme of things, it would become, and is becoming, a bit tedious in that he wants to watch RL for a good part of the year and see his team play to the highest level.
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| Quote ="RLBandit"How reassuring. Now we know that when attendances fall its because clubs are doing things right (rather than quickly). When attendances rise is it because clubs are doing things too quickly?'" As I said, im not a teacher. I cant help you with your poor comprehension skills.
Quote Incidentally, I asked a good friend of mine (a Leeds fans) how he felt about a side that was mediocre all year but then won the Grand Final. He explained that, as a one off, he'd take a GF Win over a great season followed by second place, but in the wider scheme of things, it would become, and is becoming, a bit tedious in that he wants to watch RL for a good part of the year and see his team play to the highest level.'" Thats lovely.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"As I said, im not a teacher. I cant help you with your poor comprehension skills.
Thats lovely.'"
Gee, thanks. Glad I cheered you up, you always seem so stressed.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"We literally have people blaming the RFL, and having a pop at them, for being on course to set [uthe 2nd best attendance levels in the history of the game[/u. They are always going to be to blame.'"
[uSL attendances Rounds 1 to 6 by year[/u
Year...... Tot Att/Fixtures..... Avg
SL 2013... 356,359/41 = 8,692 * Not incl re-arranged Leeds/Widnes game yet to be played.
SL 2012... 399,758/42 = 9,518
SL 2011... 314,996/35 = 9,000 * Not incl Magic Weekend in Round 1.
SL 2010... 388,392/42 = 9,247
SL 2009... 378,925/42 = 9,022
SL 2008... 372,315/36 = 10,342
SL 2007... 353,907/36 = 9,830
SL 2006... 347,712/36 = 9,658
SL 2005... 335,823/36 = 9,328
SL 2004... 333,996/36 = 9,278
This season is therefore placed [u5th[/u in terms of total attendance levels from Rounds 1 to 6 in the last decade.
This season is therefore placed [u10th and last[/u in terms of average attendance from Rounds 1 to 6 in the last decade.
HTH
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| Yes, you are right. Those figures are incomplete.
I fully expect that when we have good attendances, and those figures become more complete, and present a less bias and more positive picture, you will go as quite as you do in October every year or after you make offensive anti-semitic jokes or after you throw a big hissy fit about how you arent coming on here anymore and then we will see you sneak back under another name. But at least you committing so fully to this thread means when you are shown up you will leave for a while, so there is an upside.
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| UPDATE...
[uSL Round 7 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year[/u
Leeds V Wigan in 2013 = 15,524
Leeds V Wigan in 2012 = 16,113
Percentage decrease in attendance = -3.66%
Salford V Warrington in 2013 = 3,932
Salford V Warrington in 2012 = 6,179
Percentage decrease in attendance = -36.37%
St Helens V Wakefield in 2013 = 12,105
St Helens V Wakefield in 2012 = 13,177
Percentage decrease in attendance = -8.14%
32 out of 44 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Yes, you are right. Those figures are incomplete.
I fully expect that when we have good attendances, and those figures become more complete, and present a less bias and more positive picture, you will go as quite as you do in October every year or after you make offensive anti-semitic jokes or after you throw a big hissy fit about how you arent coming on here anymore and then we will see you sneak back under another name. But at least you committing so fully to this thread means when you are shown up you will leave for a while, so there is an upside.'"
Then you will be able to gloat, but until then, the figures speak for themselves
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| Quote ="Starbug"Then you will be able to gloat, but until then, the figures speak for themselves'"
I'm still waiting for Smokey to justify his statement that SL is on course to set the 2nd best attendance levels in the history of the game, despite available evidence to the contrary pointing to total attendance levels being 5th best out of the last 10 seasons whilst average attendances being the worst in a decade!
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| Quote ="William Eve"UPDATE...
St Helens V Wakefield in 2013 = 12,105
St Helens V Wakefield in 2012 = 13,177
Percentage decrease in attendance = -8.14%
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I don't know where you got the 2013 figure from for this match but at the game the attendance was recorded as 11,200.
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| I have basically already accepted that this sport is on its and given up caring.
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| Quote ="21-12"I have basically already accepted that this sport is on its booty and given up caring.'"
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I don't know where you got the 2013 figure from for this match but at the game the attendance was recorded as 11,200.'"
William Eve getting a stat wrong? Surely not?! ![Surprised icon_surprised.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_surprised.gif)
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| 'Sporting Life' are quoting 12105, BBC website report didn't quote a figure.
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| Once again thanks Billy for the countless hours that you spend in collating these figures (although they have been proved to be flawed on a number of occasions.)
Can I ask what the purpose of this exercise is, as we fans cannot change things and you have not given us a reason why you persist with this task. Have you sent your figures to RFL for their deliberation or does it just satisfy your little ego that people actually read them.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I don't know where you got the 2013 figure from for this match but at the game the attendance was recorded as 11,200.'"
My source for the attendance was the sportinglife.com website. The official superleague.co.uk website also claims an attendance of 12,105. Perhaps the recorded attendance of 11,200 at Langtree Park last night was correct but the official attendance is an amendment in order to count all season ticket holders, even if they don't bother to turn up?
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| Quote ="William Eve"[uSL attendances Rounds 1 to 6 by year[/u
Year...... Tot Att/Fixtures..... Avg
SL 2013... 356,359/41 = 8,692 * Not incl re-arranged Leeds/Widnes game yet to be played.
SL 2012... 399,758/42 = 9,518
SL 2011... 314,996/35 = 9,000 * Not incl Magic Weekend in Round 1.
SL 2010... 388,392/42 = 9,247
SL 2009... 378,925/42 = 9,022
SL 2008... 372,315/36 = 10,342
SL 2007... 353,907/36 = 9,830
SL 2006... 347,712/36 = 9,658
SL 2005... 335,823/36 = 9,328
SL 2004... 333,996/36 = 9,278
This season is therefore placed [u5th[/u in terms of total attendance levels from Rounds 1 to 6 in the last decade.
This season is therefore placed [u10th and last[/u in terms of average attendance from Rounds 1 to 6 in the last decade.
HTH'"
I think what this thread has really proven is that William can't use a calculator........
2009 = 378,925 =#FF0000WRONG.........378,995
2010 = 388,392 =#FF0000WRONG.........388,342
2011 = 314,996 =#FF0000WRONG.........314,965
2012 = 399,758 =#FF0000WRONG.........399,484
And I can't even be bothered to check the 2004-2008 numbers because that is a moronic comparison as if we did have 2 extra teams back then they surely would've been teams that would've gotten below that average crowds therefore driving the average of those years down.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"I think what this thread has really proven is that William can't use a calculator........
2009 = 378,925 =#FF0000WRONG.........378,995
2010 = 388,392 =#FF0000WRONG.........388,342
2011 = 314,996 =#FF0000WRONG.........314,965
2012 = 399,758 =#FF0000WRONG.........399,484
And I can't even be bothered to check the 2004-2008 numbers because that is a moronic comparison as if we did have 2 extra teams back then they surely would've been teams that would've gotten below that average crowds therefore driving the average of those years down.'"
These discrepencies, they alter the averages by how much?
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