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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Why was Cas mentioned at Millmoor?
I would say both, but at the end of the day, the stadium was used as a carrot to get the development through.
New jobs created, more business rates for a cash strapped council, no stadium for the long suffering & dwindling Wakefield support, move along people...'"
I hope it gets sorted for you
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"I hope it gets sorted for you'"
Think the main point of this thread is that it was sorted. Then the developer back-tracked and Wakefield MDC conveniently looked the other way.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Think the main point of this thread is that it was sorted. Then the developer back-tracked and Wakefield MDC conveniently looked the other way.'"
Quite right and someone within WTW didn't read the small print.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Quite right and someone within WTW didn't read the small print.'"
The delivery of the S106 is the responsibility of WMDC led by Mr Box (you may be familiar with him). He represents the people of Wakefield and he is failing in his duty. Why are the facilities promised to the people of Wakefield failing to materialise, but the area is being developed?
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| Quote ="Smew"The delivery of the S106 is the responsibility of WMDC led by Mr Box (you may be familiar with him). He represents the people of Wakefield and he is failing in his duty. Why are the facilities promised to the people of Wakefield failing to materialise, but the area is being developed?'"
Because the all-powerful Wakefield Trinity R.L.F.C, failed to read the small print apparently .
If they had noticed the scurrilous actions of the developer they could have informed the Council who would have immediately intervened & saved the day, wouldn’t they?
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| If I remember correctly wasn't playing at Oakwell Barnsley the way forward?
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Because the all-powerful Wakefield Trinity R.L.F.C, failed to read the small print apparently
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If they had noticed the scurrilous actions of the developer they could have informed the Council who would have immediately intervened & saved the day, wouldn’t they?
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Er, no.
I think that is the point, the plans for Newcold were put through, without the club being informed and more importantly, without any chance for local residents to object to a building that is a mere 42 metres tall (24 metres higher than anything that was planned originally).
Trinity have requested details of when they were informed and how the information was given to them but, as yet, this has not been forthcoming, draw your own conclusions.
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| Have to say some of the gleeful, gloating sentiment coming from some on here is depressing. Very real possibility of one of the founding members of Rugby League going down the pan due to the stadium issues (and several decade of poor management)
Wakefield as a city left without a professional sports team of any kind with some of the worst sporting provisions in the UK.
Nothing to be gleeful about IMO.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Er, no.
I think that is the point, the plans for Newcold were put through, without the club being informed and more importantly, without any chance for local residents to object to a building that is a mere 42 metres tall (24 metres higher than anything that was planned originally).
Trinity have requested details of when they were informed and how the information was given to them but, as yet, this has not been forthcoming, draw your own conclusions.
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Correct - a 17m high unit would have made a significant contribution to the community facilities being developed. However, a 42m high unit, visible from space, was allowed to not contribute by keeping it quiet until it was too late to object.
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| Quote ="Smew"Correct - a 17m high unit would have made a significant contribution to the community facilities being developed. However, a 42m high unit, visible from space, was allowed to not contribute by=#FF0000 keeping it quiet until it was too late to object.'"
" A meeting with the Trust Chair (Sir Rodney), myself and Andy Wallhead ( Corporate Director. Regeneration & Economic Growth) was held at that time and it was discussed that there would be no linkage with the Newcold development. I can also confirm that no objections to the planning application were subsequently received from the Trust or its members."
JOANNE RONEY OBE
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| Quote ="bigalf"" A meeting with the Trust Chair (Sir Rodney), myself and Andy Wallhead ( Corporate Director. Regeneration & Economic Growth) was held at that time and it was discussed that there would be no linkage with the Newcold development. I can also confirm that no objections to the planning application were subsequently received from the Trust or its members."
JOANNE RONEY OBE
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Yes, but it also states a bit you failed to include, for whatever reason.
" I can confirm that there was no Section 106 Agreement to link this development with the funding of a community stadium as the size of development (22,300sqm) is below the 60,000sqm threshold for contributing toward the stadium that was set out in the original outline application issued by the Secretary of State. "
I was under the impression that the 60,000sqm was the trigger point, I didn't realise that only units above 60,000sqm counted towards the stadium .
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Yes, but it also states a bit you failed to include, for whatever reason.
" I can confirm that there was no Section 106 Agreement to link this development with the funding of a community stadium as the size of development (22,300sqm) is below the 60,000sqm threshold for contributing toward the stadium that was set out in the original outline application issued by the Secretary of State. "
I was under the impression that the 60,000sqm was the trigger point, I didn't realise that only units above 60,000sqm counted towards the stadium
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Because it doesn't, if YCP built a 1m X 1m box and leased it out then it would count towards the 60,000m2 trigger.
The Council officers reply is misleading either because they're too incompetant to understand the S106 or they're intentionally lying.
There is a ruling in the Secretary of States Public Inquiry report which specifically disallows the aggregation of the land in question.
The WMDC have incorrectly allowed the Newcold planning application to be passed directly contravening the Secretary of States order. Why they've done this is up for conjecture, either they're incompetant or they knowingly shafted the Community and the Stadium Trust.
It stinks and they're now wriggling and spinning trying to get themselves off the hook
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| Quote ="bigalf"" A meeting with the Trust Chair (Sir Rodney), myself and Andy Wallhead ( Corporate Director. Regeneration & Economic Growth) was held at that time and it was discussed that there would be no linkage with the Newcold development. I can also confirm that no objections to the planning application were subsequently received from the Trust or its members."
JOANNE RONEY OBE
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Wakefield Council'"
If that is the case then produce some minutes or documentation to prove this. Do you honestly think if people had been aware of this they would not have kicked up a stink. Also how were the local public, you know the residents and Wakefield inhabitants informed of this decision to exclude from the S106? Do they not matter too?
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| If any of the RL family fancy helping out in getting the community stadium delivered, please go to our Facebook page - fightfornewmarket and like.
For the twiteratti out there please look for #fightfornewmarket and throw a few retweets and favourites around!
We are not asking the council for a stadium, just for them to enforce their own planning regulations on a developer who is trying to wriggle out of their responsibilities and agreements.
Thanks!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"The jokes on you fella because that's become an urban myth that only the ill informed and foolish still trot out.
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Wakefield Trinity Wildcats Rugby League Club used the stadium for their first game in the Super League in 1998.
Wasn't this because to "prove" they were SL material they had to play at a better ground with better facilities so they chose Oakwell, but somehow managed to get round having to playing there again.
Oh yes a true "urban myth" but one based on reality.
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"Wakefield Trinity Wildcats Rugby League Club used the stadium for their first game in the Super League in 1998.
Wasn't this because to "prove" they were SL material they had to play at a better ground with better facilities so they chose Oakwell, but somehow managed to get round having to playing there again.
Oh yes a true "urban myth" but one based on reality.'"
Reality?
Link to the above?
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"Wakefield Trinity Wildcats Rugby League Club used the stadium for their first game in the Super League in 1998.
Wasn't this because to "prove" they were SL material they had to play at a better ground with better facilities so they chose Oakwell, but somehow managed to get round having to playing there again.
Oh yes a true "urban myth" but one based on reality.'"
No they didn't. First home game was against Salford at BV. First Sky home game was at Oakwell. Jog on fella.
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Quote ="Wildthing"Reality?
Link to the above?'"
www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... et-on-move
[iPlans for a purpose-built stadium in Newmarket have been referred to a public enquiry but the Wildcats could still opt for a groundshare with Barnsley at Oakwell if it improves their chances of getting a licence.[/i
"With Newmarket being delayed, we wanted to make sure we have covered every eventuality,"[i said Elston, whose club have a five-year option in place to share Oakwell.[/i
"We would prefer to stay where we are but, at the end of the day, we will do whatever we need to stay in Super League and, if the Rugby League say they would rather us play at Barnsley, then that's what we'll do."
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Link to the above?'"
www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... et-on-move
[iPlans for a purpose-built stadium in Newmarket have been referred to a public enquiry but the Wildcats could still opt for a groundshare with Barnsley at Oakwell if it improves their chances of getting a licence.[/i
"With Newmarket being delayed, we wanted to make sure we have covered every eventuality,"[i said Elston, whose club have a five-year option in place to share Oakwell.[/i
"We would prefer to stay where we are but, at the end of the day, we will do whatever we need to stay in Super League and, if the Rugby League say they would rather us play at Barnsley, then that's what we'll do."
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| Quote ="Tigerade"www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12208/6973038/wakefield-still-set-on-move
[iPlans for a purpose-built stadium in Newmarket have been referred to a public enquiry but the Wildcats could still opt for a groundshare with Barnsley at Oakwell if it improves their chances of getting a licence.[/i
"With Newmarket being delayed, we wanted to make sure we have covered every eventuality,"[i said Elston, whose club have a five-year option in place to share Oakwell.[/i
"We would prefer to stay where we are but, at the end of the day, we will do whatever we need to stay in Super League and, if the Rugby League say they would rather us play at Barnsley, then that's what we'll do."'"
and . . .
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| Quote ="Tigerade"www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12208/6973038/wakefield-still-set-on-move
[iPlans for a purpose-built stadium in Newmarket have been referred to a public enquiry but the Wildcats could still opt for a groundshare with Barnsley at Oakwell if it improves their chances of getting a licence.[/i
"With Newmarket being delayed, we wanted to make sure we have covered every eventuality,"[i said Elston, whose club have a five-year option in place to share Oakwell.[/i
"We would prefer to stay where we are but, at the end of the day, we will do whatever we need to stay in Super League and, if the Rugby League say they would rather us play at Barnsley, then that's what we'll do."'"
Where in that link does it state we played our first SL game at Oakwell?
Nope, its still not there.
We weren't even in SL in 1998, as stated by leaguefan.
Troll fail again, by Tigerade.
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| I thought the bit you were trying to debunk was this bit:-
"Wasn't this because to prove they were SL material they had to play at a better ground with better facilities so they chose Oakwell"
I didn't realise you were only on about this bit:-
"Wakefield Trinity Wildcats Rugby League Club used the stadium for their first game in the Super League in 1998."
Chill man.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"I thought the bit you were trying to debunk was this bit:-
"Wasn't this because to prove they were SL material they had to play at a better ground with better facilities so they chose Oakwell"
I didn't realise you were only on about this bit:-
"Wakefield Trinity Wildcats Rugby League Club used the stadium for their first game in the Super League in 1998."
Chill man.
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Exactly. Apology accepted.
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there was your mistake, it all went downhill after that!
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| Well if Wakey get their new stadium, then what are people gonna moan about when its Wakey away day?
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