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| Quote ="Wellsy13"I don't understand why people think Wakefield would want to play out of Glasshoughton? It's just as far away as Oakwell in Barnsley, they might as well just play there. At least then they wouldn't be on the doorstep of their biggest rivals, and technically it would be expansion into West Yorkshire.
They also could be in there by next season, and it would mean Cas have no options. If I were a Wakefield director, I'd be pushing for this as the most probable solution. If they dropped the "Wakefield" part and went to just "Trinity Wildcats", they could even open up a whole new market in Barnsley.'"
To be honest with you its what many Trinity fans are discussing, and its the Cas fans worst nightmare, hence the touchy reactions whenever this option is brought up.
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| Quote ="Gazemous"The stadium at Newmarket is to be part of an industrial complex. Given the choice between a ground on an industrial estate built on green belt land or on brown field land in the most popular area of the region makes this a no-brainer. Families have a huge range of things to do before and after the rugby at Glasshoughton. At Newmarket they get to hang around some industrial units.
The possibilities for RL of a stadium at Glasshoughton are phenomenally exciting. The council would be blind and stupid to not see that.'"
The green belt is a none issue. The land is getting reclassified. The real stumbling block is the shortness off time, thats why the option to use Oakwell, if it can be negotiated, would be great to buy more time to complete the development.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash" and its the Cas fans worst nightmar'"
=#8000FFNot really, if Wakefield moved out of the Wakefield area the council would be under no obligation to provide the funding to Wakefield making it available to Cas, the sole representative team in SL of the area.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFNot really, if Wakefield moved out of the Wakefield area the council would be under no obligation to provide the funding to Wakefield making it available to Cas, the sole representative team in SL of the area.'"
If the clubs don't agree a ground share by September, Box is withdrawing the offer.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"If the clubs don't agree a ground share by September, Box is withdrawing the offer.'"
=#8000FFSo he says
do you really think if Wakey abandon the area he won't just give the funding to Cas?
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFNot really, if Wakefield moved out of the Wakefield area the council would be under no obligation to provide the funding to Wakefield making it available to Cas, the sole representative team in SL of the area.'"
Would the council build a new stadium for one team that may not even be in SL by the time it has finished? Bit of a risk. Would it get enough revenue with just the one club?
If the negotiations go through quickly for Wakefield, they could be in a new stadium by next year in Barnsley. That would be a box ticked. It then comes down to how well their crowds hold up. If they can't make it work at Oakwell (i.e. their crowds go down) then it's not a good option to have them in. I suppose that's the risk with the move.
If they did move, do Wakefield fans agree with the fact they'd need a rebrand to assist in making it work?
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| I know it is an emotive subject, but if government does not approve construction of two separate stadia, perhaps the clubs should consider sharing one new stadium? In Australia, ground sharing has occurred extensively in Rugby League and especially Aussie Rules Football.
Consider the:
* Sydney Football Stadium - currently two teams, the Sydney (formerly Eastern Suburbs) Roosters and Wests Tigers, use it as a home ground. South Sydney and St George Illawarra have used it as a home ground in the past. Rugby Union's NSW Waratahs and Soccer's Sydney FC also use it as a home ground.
* Stadium Australia (ANZ Stadium) at Homebush - currently Canterbury Bulldogs and South Sydney use it as a home ground, and Wests Tigers did use it before. The NSW Waratahs RU and Sydney Swans AFL teams have both played home games there.
In AFL
* Melbourne Cricket Ground - 4 clubs use it as a home ground, Collingwood Magpies, Hawthorn Hawks, Melbourne Demons and Richmond Tigers. Carlton Blues also play there.
* Docklands (Etihad) Stadium (from wiki) - Western Bulldogs, Carlton Blues, Essendon Bombers, St Kilda Saints and North Melbourne Kangaroos use the stadium as their primary home ground. The Collingwood Magpies and Richmond Tigers, also play home games there, but their official home ground is the Melbourne Cricket Ground. The Geelong Cats also use it for some home games, but their official home ground is Skilled Stadium in Geelong.
Consider that it is a 18km drive from Redfern Oval, the heart of Souths territory, to ANZ Stadium. There was a very emotional debate about the future of Redfern Oval, and South Sydney fans are passionate about their history and tradition, but the club realised it had to find a new home to survive.
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| Quote ="The Observer"I know it is an emotive subject, but if government does not approve construction of two separate stadia, perhaps the clubs should consider sharing one new stadium? In Australia, ground sharing has occurred extensively in Rugby League and especially Aussie Rules Footbal
Consider that it is a 18km drive from Redfern Oval, the heart of Souths territory, to ANZ Stadium. There was a very emotional debate about the future of Redfern Oval, and South Sydney fans are passionate about their history and tradition, but the club realised it had to find a new home to survive.'"
good points made, but the reality is the economic climate here, and lack of disposable income to "joe public"
i noted with interest the HUGE eels following who descended on penrith on saturday, you boys in the southern hemisphere seem to have been lucky that your country's bankers haven't wrecked the nation like they have here ![FRUSTRATED icon_frustrated.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_frustrated.gif)
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| Bit of a mixed feeling really as I have seen it work well in Perth with a shared stadium between two AFL teams from somewhat different locations but the thought of HKR playing in West Hull was too much to imagine! Having said that if the RFL turned around tomorrow and said CP wasn't close to being up to SL standard and move to the KC or your out the club would be mad not to go.
Maybe the RFL need to step in and put pressure on both clubs to find a compromise or threaten them both with expulsion in 2012 if they are not in a new stadium. I'm sure that would motivate for a solution.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Maybe the RFL need to step in and put pressure on both clubs to find a compromise or threaten them both with expulsion in 2012 if they are not in a new stadium. I'm sure that would motivate for a solution.'"
It's clear to both clubs that they are on thin ice if there is no new stadium. Photos in the Wakefield Express of chairmen with hard hats and shovel's aren't going to cut it this time.
Getting a stadium is one thing. Playing out of a location that is viable in the long-term is something else.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFSo he says
do you really think if Wakey abandon the area he won't just give the funding to Cas?
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Indeed so he says, and I don't believe a word he says. Anyhow Trinity wouldn't be abandoning the area, merely moving next door until Newmarket is ready.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"
Maybe the RFL need to step in and put pressure on both clubs to find a compromise or threaten them both with expulsion in 2012 if they are not in a new stadium. I'm sure that would motivate for a solution.'"
The conspiracy theorists reckon that the RFL want to get rid of one of the two, so why would they want a solution? A new shared ground that will definitely be built would eliminate one excuse to disenfranchise Wakefield or Castleford.
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| Quote ="Traffic"What more visitors than Tower of London, Buck house, Westminster Abbey or St Pauls Cathedral? Would love to see a link to where you got that from please?'"
2nd most visited attraction in Castleford maybe. Is Diggerland that popular?
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3.25million per annum? That's 9000 per day, day in, day out. Including Christmas Day...
When did it open? 2006?
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| Quote ="Wadski"2nd most visited attraction in Castleford maybe. Is Diggerland that popular?
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3.25million per annum? That's 9000 per day, day in, day out. Including Christmas Day...
When did it open? 2006?'"
Here you go, [url=http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6717/is_46/ai_n28380421/?tag=content;col11.3 million more visitors than the Tower of London[/url
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| Xscape opened in 2003 too.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFIt's pretty obvious Glasshoughton is the most logical choice, but the Wakefield fans are blinkered, I mean they think all this is a bad idea:
Next to the 2nd most visited attraction in England, HUGE commercial opportunities there.
Next door to a train station, a motorway junction and when finished 4 roads into the area.
Already gained outline planning permission, with NO objections, unlike Newmarket which is riddled with objections and a high possibility of the Government calling it in for review.
3 week away from being ready for full planning permission to be submitted.
Still only 8 mile or so away from Wakefield, so it isn't that far, and because they like to use this little quote when it suits them, I'll use it now "Cas is in Wakefield anyway"'"
Don't let the truth get in the way of your little fantasies will you!
Quote 2nd most visited attraction in England'"
Bigger than Blackpoo Pleasure Beach, Alton Towers, London Eye and many many many more, I think not.
Quote Next door to a train station'"
Which to use you would have to make the most convaluted rail journey in history, making various stops and changes dependent on where you were visiting from.
Quote 4 roads into the area'" Quote NO objections'"
Roads that currently don't exist and need Council backing and funding in order to evict the current property owners, who don't want to sell, by way of a Compulsory Purchase Order! No Roads, No Stadium as it's not possible to gain access any other way, not strictly an objection but possibly more obstructive!
Quote Already gained outline planning permission'"
Which due to the lack of funding has lay dormant for years and is due to expire in weeks!
Quote 3 week away from being ready for full planning permission to be submitted.'"
Says who, Richard Wright?
I've lost tack of the number of missed deadlines and broken promises that can be attributed to RW and his famous blogs.
Wakefields project has a way to go and a few hurdles to jump the biggest of which now appears to be a Council Leader who is a lifelong Cas supporter, a Cas season ticket holder and share holder.
A deputy leader who is also a Cas fan and just happens to be the local councillor for.......wait for it........
Glasshoughton!
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| Quote ="Gazemous"I can understand why they're not sold on it, but the only benefit of Newmarket is that it's equal distance. It provides nothing in the way of commercial development for either club - certainly not the same scale as Glasshoughton - and doesn't help tick the £4million turnover box the RFL want clubs to achieve.
There's also the small matter of there being zero chance of a build starting at Newmarket before licence applications are assessed. The RFL have already stated that there are no excuses for a build not having started by the time the applications go in.'"
Only one small thing getting in the way of Castleford realising their dreams of a new stadium....
They DO NOT have the funding!
RW has all but exhausted every avenue and come up up woefully short on financing the project!
Cas can not move forward without Wakefield!
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| Quote ="The Clan"
Wakefields project has a way to go and a few hurdles to jump the biggest of which now appears to be a Council Leader who is a lifelong Cas supporter, a Cas season ticket holder and share holder.
A deputy leader who is also a Cas fan and just happens to be the local councillor for.......wait for it........
Glasshoughton!'"
Wrong !! He is the councillor for Altofts and Whitwood - Which includes Normanton which a lot of Wakefield fans class as part of Wakefield.
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| Outline PP is not due to expire in weeks. It has until November the 29th (the date planning permission was granted).
We have months.
And Alf he said Deputy Leader, which I presume he's talking about is Denise Jeffery.
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| Quote ="Fully"Outline PP is not due to expire in weeks. It has until November the 29th (the date planning permission was granted).
We have months.
And Alf he said Deputy Leader, which I presume he's talking about is Denise Jeffery.'"
I stand corrected - just so sick of reading all the vitriol by Wakey fans against Clr Box.
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| Quote ="bigalf"Wrong !! He is the councillor for Altofts and Whitwood - Which includes Normanton which a lot of Wakefield fans class as part of Wakefield.'"
As Fully stated, I said Deputy leader!
But while on the subject, how far is Whitwood from Glasshoughton?
Fully, I know you to be a fairly level headed poster so I know your'e being genuine, however it's just 18 weeks till the OPP lapses which I know is about 4 months but in the context of the years that have already passed since Cas gained OPP time is running very short.
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| Quote ="The Clan"As Fully stated, I said Deputy leader!
But while on the subject, how far is Whitwood from Glasshoughton?
Fully, I know you to be a fairly level headed poster so I know your'e being genuine, however it's just 18 weeks till the OPP lapses which I know is about 4 months but in the context of the years that have already passed since Cas gained OPP time is running very short.'"
With a decision due in three weeks regards which stadium is most viable, there is plenty of time to fulfil the OPP. Considering the 106 agreement has just been signed to ensure that PP has been fully valid, I do not know how this impacts on timeframes, if at all. However, Waystone wouldn't sign that contract if it means something was not going to be built there.
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| I think the argument is far more simple than people having a ing contest on here.
Get a new ground with council support and both clubs survive even in sooooooperdooooooper league or both get kicked out of SL and die in their present form.
Take the blinkers off people and see the bigger picture because if it can't be done quickly there will be no bigger picture for your teams to be in!!!
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| Quote ="The Clan"Only one small thing getting in the way of Castleford realising their dreams of a new stadium....
They DO NOT have the funding!
RW has all but exhausted every avenue and come up up woefully short on financing the project!
Cas can not move forward without Wakefield!'"
I didn't say anything about funding... I merely stated why Glasshoughton is a better commercial option
Quote ="The Clan"Bigger than Blackpoo Pleasure Beach, Alton Towers, London Eye and many many many more, I think not.'"
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| Quote ="The Clan"Don't let the truth get in the way of your little fantasies will you!
Bigger than Blackpoo Pleasure Beach, Alton Towers, London Eye and many many many more, I think not.'"
=#8000FFLook on the last page, joint 1st not 2nd actually.
Quote ="The Clan"Which to use you would have to make the most convaluted rail journey in history, making various stops and changes dependent on where you were visiting from.'"
=#8040FFWhich is why that station has trains from Cas, Leeds, Wakefield, Sheffield
Quote ="The Clan"Roads that currently don't exist and need Council backing and funding in order to evict the current property owners, who don't want to sell, by way of a Compulsory Purchase Order! No Roads, No Stadium as it's not possible to gain access any other way, not strictly an objection but possibly more obstructive!'"
=#8040FF3 of the 4 roads are ready, the highways agency have approved the 4th, so lets not let all these facts get in the way of your crap, eh?
Quote ="The Clan"Which due to the lack of funding has lay dormant for years and is due to expire in weeks!'"
=#8000FFNovember is weeks away? best get planning for Christmas then....
Quote ="The Clan"Wakefields project has a way to go and a few hurdles to jump the biggest of which now appears to be a Council Leader who is a lifelong Cas supporter, a Cas season ticket holder and share holder.
A deputy leader who is also a Cas fan and just happens to be the local councillor for.......wait for it........
Glasshoughton!'"
=#8000FFAwww diddums
so delusional you Wakey fans you think the council have an agenda against Wakefield, when in fact they're doing what's best for the whole district.
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