What's wrong with Roby?

Roby's OK and O'Loughlin, for all his critics has at least played quite well at international level. In fact the opposite of someone like Wilkin.

He is bloody hopeless.

And O'Loughlin, he is only known outside of wigan because certain idiots wanted him to carry on from another world class loser in Farrell!

he has to be the most average footballer in the entire world!

Purdham, Ferguson, Wild, Sinfield and believe me it pains me to say Sinfield.
If Westerman was playing as good as he was at the start of the year it would have been 5!

Though i'm not the original poster the 3 that immediatley come to mind are sinfield, purdham and flannery. Anderson and fulton are probably on a par, i would like to put weterman up there too, but since his head injury i think he's lost a bit of confidence on the field.

Edit-wild too he's been very impressive at 13 this year.

I would rate shenton defence as better than his attack (and believe me i have seen him do some defending these last few years)

Good to know!

1. Briscoe
2. Fox
3. Gleeson
4. Senior
5. Hall
6. Pryce
7. Burrow
8. Morley
9. Moore
10. Peacock
11. Ellis
12. Burgess
13. Sinfield

14. Roby
15. Carvell
16. Graham
17. O'Loughlin

1. Briscoe
2. Fox
3. Shenton
4. Gleeson
5. Hall
6. Tompkins
7. Burrow
8. Morley
9. Roby
10. Graham
11. Ellis
12. Peacock
13. Sinfield

Subs
Scott Moore
Crabtree
Burgess
Carvell

He's been fit for some time. He played (badly) in the reserves before Salford's last home game.

As Inglis and Falou leave him chasing shadows within their dust stream

and hayne. morris.

1 Briscoe
2 Fox
3 Shenton
4 Atkins
5 Hall

6 McGuire
7 Brough

8 Morley
9 Moore
10 Graham
11 Ellis
12 JJB
13 Wilkin

14 Roby
15 Crabtree
16 Peacock
17 Burgess

you have not seen super sowie yet

Its true, although now he is going I would expect to see plenty of our fans on our board slagging him off as never being any good anyway as he is going to the wrong side of the common. You have a belting signing on your hands if he shapes up next year like he has done this year.

Though there are a few i imagine would (i'm guessing you know who) i think your being a little unfair to the majority who seem to still be saying good things about him.

Pryce
Gardner
anyone, though i would be tempted to go for Lawrence, just to see what he can do
Senior
Hall
Mcguire
Tomkins
Peacock
Sinfield
Graham
Ellis
Wild
o'loughlin

Moore
Morley
Burgess
Crabtree

the starting pack can take the sting out of any pack, and there is lots of impact on the bench,

Senior has retired from Rep duty.
Who is covering the backs from the bench?
Crabtree is not up to in in my opinion.

A LF at hooker over roby? If we are going to have tompkins in the halfs i wouldnt play mguire along side him, he's an excellent support player, but not much of an organiser, which means with no organising loose forward its all down to tompkins which alot of pressure on the lad.

Oh and seniors retired.

Apart from that not too bad a team.

both wild and ellis can cover the centres

sinfield can cover S-O, pryce the wing and centres and Mcguire FB

a player like crabtree can be devastating to a tired pack,

there is nothing to stop Mcguire doing a lot of the organising, he really isnt the player he was 5 years ago, he is much much more involved now,

much more of the good stuff leeds do comes through Mcguire these days, its burrow who has become the peripheral figure

plus, Sinfield is on there to take on some of the kicking/organising responsibility


besides that would be the starting line up, after 25 minutes i would look for Moore to come on for o'loughlin, move sinfield to loose giving us an extra creative player, to take advantage of the added impact from Crabtree Morley and Burgess

as for senior, if i was tony smith i would be begging senior for one last shot, with him we have a strike centre/wing partnership that whilst not great, will cause any team a few problems,

without him, we have nothing in the 3/4er line to scare anyone

craptree played rep footy yet

how many caps did richard villasanti earn?

Villasanti makes Crabtree look like arthur beetson

Moving Forwards to the backs may be ok for an odd game at Club level, at Test level they may get found wanting for pace and agility.

The fact you usually have to score more points than the other team to win a match is unlikely with a second rower in the Centres.

You need a utility back on the bench at Test level.

Well you see more of mguire than me, but when he's been on tv i havent seen him being much of an organiser. Still a bit mystified why roby isnt in there to be honest. As for senior he was terrible at the world cup, i dont see what would be differant this time. If you dont rate atkins or shenton fair enough, but if senior can have a terrible world cup and still get in the team it sends out the wrong message to our youngsters, that no matter how bad you perform at international level you can still get picked on reputation. I personally think shenton would do a good job at international level (i'm also curious how a number of posters have discussed senior having shenton in his pocket, as that would be rather impressive from the other side of the field).