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| Quote ="Dunbar"I love the irony'"
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| Quote ="JMR"What is happening with Jack Reed at Brisbane?
Potential Rookie of the Year in the NRL - surely the answer to England's prayers at centre?
Born and bred is Castleford isn't he?'"
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| Quote ="Towns88"Me two mate
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| I personally enjoyed the game. For the first time, I saw a desire from an England team to put in the extra effort to keep the opposition out.
Did this game serve its purpose. I think it did, not only did we expose our players to a higher level of football, but it also allows the coaching team to see which players may or may not be able to handle it. I am a firm believer that in order to improve, we need to get our elite players playing at a higher level more often.
In fact, I would also like to see the England Knights team play the exiles. We may find that we have a few 'fringe' players that actually are able to step up their game when playing with and against better players.
I would love for us to make this a three game series. I think the England team would improve a lot if we were going to be playing the exiles again in a few days.
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| Paul Wood anyone?
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| Quote ="vikingsmurf"agree completely. also if we throw players like larne patrick, lee mossop and paul wood into the mix (all form players) it looks a very different and much more robust team. Brough, Burgess, Ellis, Roby, robinson, wood, crabtree, westwood, widdop, both tomkins etc. thats the core of a 17 that can do the business anyday if properly organised.
i would also like to make special mention of ben westwood who was a true warrior last night.
i would also like to add that i really enjoyed the game. its certainly much more entertaining to watch and no doubt much more useful to the players and coaching staff than handing the french their s would be.'"
No doubt the team will be better on paper come 4 Nations time but with McNamara as coach I just cant see England doing anything. His 1 out football is a joke!
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Paul Wood anyone?'"
What would be the point? He isn't going to be playing in the world cup and he isn't as good as Peacock and Morley. If we needed someone else to pass on valuable experience then I might agree but we have Morley and Peacock for that. An argument can be made that we shouldn't be playing them either really if I'm honest.
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| My one main thought was Westwood proved to be England's best player, just like some would say in the World Cup last year. The only one who wanted it to be intense as a SOO game. He's the most underrated player in SL.
An absolute machine.
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| Right now, Paul Wood is better than Peacock.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Right now, Paul Wood is better than Peacock.'"
But Peacock is the England captain and is probably the best man for passing on experience and being around the young players. Peacock is coming back from injury, he will come good by the end of the year I think.
Paul Wood is in good form though, he impresses me when I see him.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"My one main thought was Westwood proved to be England's best player, just like some would say in the World Cup last year. The only one who wanted it to be intense as a SOO game. He's the most underrated player in SL.
An absolute machine.'"
He was Englands best player, he was made for international rugby. He can raise his intensity in the tackle. He is the first name on the bench for me and the first player in if Ellis and Burgess get injured.
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| Quote ="JMR"What is happening with Jack Reed at Brisbane?
Potential Rookie of the Year in the NRL - surely the answer to England's prayers at centre?
Born and bred is Castleford isn't he?'"
He moved to Oz before he was 12 years old.
He has committed himself to Australia, and was mentioned as a long shot for SOO
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| Looking at various tweets from players involved and not involved in the Exiles game it is quite obvious that Steve Mcnamara is not looked on very highly amongst his fellow peers out enthused and organised by a team who only had 3 days together enough said BUT DONT BLAME STEVE look at who appointed him
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| Quote ="Jonesy"He moved to Oz before he was 12 years old.
He has committed himself to Australia, and was mentioned as a long shot for SOO'"
I didnt even know he was English till I read it on here. Listened to him interviewed and his all Ozzie.
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| S.Tomkins
McGillvary/Lawrence
Cudjoe
Shenton (Best we have at the mo, sound defensively most of the time.)
Briscoe
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Roby
Burgess
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Biggest change we need is the tactics. Tbh i thought we started quite well and played some decent rugby in the first 10-20 mins, Sam Tomkins got the ball in a few decent positions outwide its just the runners wernt there to help him create something and the centres and wings over ran all the time. With a attacking trio of Brough, Lomax and S.tomkins theres more than enough flair to trouble any team.
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| Quote ="jannerboyuk"I disagree on your four nations point although i understand where you are coming from. Its actually irrelevant that is wales or in fact that the exiles would be more competitive. We have at last one part of the international structure correct and that is if you are at the correct level of european or pacific rugby league you can qualify for the four nations if you win the relevant comp. That gives us so much in terms of international development its not funny. The european cup, every two years is suddenly a wonderful, competitive and meaningful competition. We've never had that and to throw it away would be suicide.
I enjoyed the exiles game and think we should co-ordinate it with the free weekend that the nrl is proposing for the mid seaon anzac test. That whole weekend should be midseason international weekend. Aus v kiwi, france v wales, ireland vs scotland, canada v yanks, lebanon vs serbia and england versus exiles. That would be a cracker of a weekend imo.'"
I'm not saying Wales don't deserve that spot in the 4N's...I fully understand the need for teams like Wales, France, PNG etc to get a chance against the "big 3" teams in the world. If we're honest though, will Wales win a game in the 4N's? I for one hope they do (against Aus or NZ ) however, I can't see it happening. The Exiles, with a proper training camp, would be capable of beating all the teams...which makes for a more interesting tournament as a whole.
Again, I'm not bashing Wales or any other country...they're there on merit and fair play to them. My main focus is on a fully competitive 4N's and I just think the Exiles will offer more.
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| As an uninterested neutral , the attendance was good , the main purpose was served , and if they don't continue with it , they are stupid
The game was a bit boring until the last ten minutes , but that is exactly the type of play the England team need to learn to defend against if they are ever to beat the Aussies
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| Just asking from an Aussie perspective will this have an annual event like Origin?
From this side of the world we've only heard good things from the match
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| Quote ="Ant80"Just asking from an Aussie perspective will this have an annual event like Origin?
From this side of the world we've only heard good things from the match'"
Talks are underway about whether this is repeated next year and onwards
When the fixture was announced there was some scepticism (myself included) but in pretty much every element it was a success – the attendance was good (although the crowd was a little quiet which is to be expected when it is a new fixture) and the game was well contested and played in the manner of an international match (i.e. lots of contact at the ruck and therefore slower play the balls)
There has been widespread agreement over the past couple of decades that State of Origin has helped the Aussie team to dominate international league due to it preparing the players for high intensity matches – whether this is true or not is up for debate as the NZ team seems to do well enough without a similar event. My feeling is that the week to week intensity of the NRL is a more important factor and that needs to be matched by SL (which is getting better year on year in this regard) in order for the English team to compete
As a fixture it can certainly help our International team – I don’t think it will reach the profile of SOO as that benefits from two sets of partisan fans that, by definition, can’t exist for International Origin but I hope that it continues
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| Quote ="Hear Ye!"I'm not saying Wales don't deserve that spot in the 4N's...I fully understand the need for teams like Wales, France, PNG etc to get a chance against the "big 3" teams in the world. If we're honest though, will Wales win a game in the 4N's? I for one hope they do (against Aus or NZ
) however, I can't see it happening. The Exiles, with a proper training camp, would be capable of beating all the teams...which makes for a more interesting tournament as a whole.
Again, I'm not bashing Wales or any other country...they're there on merit and fair play to them. My main focus is on a fully competitive 4N's and I just think the Exiles will offer more.'"
You're missing the point. It's about the structure of the international game and being long term. Whatever the problems Italy have in the six nations they will come good, france in the same comp got hammered for decades! But they stuck by the structure. Without this structure wales, france, png et al will never be competitive. How can you expect a team not getting regular exposure to that level to suddenly make some magic leap? The exiles are a good short term measure but beyond a good trial for england mid-season it is a dead end for the long term future of the international game.
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| The exiles being in the 4 nations would make a mockery of the tournament and International Rugby League. U cant enter sides into International Test Rugby League who have no nationality. It would be laughable.
Its much more important to push forward in growing the game in the fringe nations and helping them improve!!
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| Quote ="Dunbar"(although the crowd was a little quiet which is to be expected when it is a new fixture) '"
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"The squad at the end of the year will be much different though.
Brough will no doubt replace Myler who is a good support player but rubbish at this level, even wire fans can see that. Brough has an awesome kicking game and will control the play as well as being creative.
Roby will play instead of McIlorum. McIlorum does the job and will never let anyone down but he is not ready for this level YET. Roby is one of the top hookers in the world and is always superb at international level.
Burgess and Ellis will play. An argument could be made that these are Englands two best players, they play with the worlds best week in week out and are now two of the best back rowers in the NRL while Burgess can also play prop.
Widdop will probably play at 6 or FB... he should play 6 IMO. He has looked quality for Melbourne this year, he could easily hide behind Cronk, Slater and Smith but he never does.
Adding these 5 players to that starting 13 improves the team by a long way IMO.
Finally you also have Hock who will no doubt put his hand up with the amount of talent he has... maybe if we are lucky he has found half a brain cell in his two years out. You also have Crabtree who didn't play in this game and has always performed for England.
On an extra note I thought Joel Tomkins had a good game and has looked awesome for Wigan at centre IMO. He should be in contention there, he reads the game well and has loads of pace for a big guy, nobody got near him. Shenton looked like he was running in treacle.
After these players have been added we could end up with something like this....
Tomkins
Hall
Shenton/J Tomkins/Bridge
Shenton/J Tomkins/Bridge
Briscoe
Widdop
Brough
Morley
Roby
Peacock
Ellis
Burgess
Lockers
Westwood - Englands MOM made for internationals.
Robinson
Both should be on the bench IMO they deserve it. Then we have a list of players in the running for the final bench spot after Crabtree who also deserves it.
Mossop
Hock
Griffin
LMS
J Tomkins - if he doesn't make the centre position.
Players like Myler, Sinfield and Wilkin should not be in the team. Sinfield could play 9 if needed but not if we are at full strength.'"
The back line still isn't good enonough, the fact that Joel Tomkins is being considered for the centres just shows hoe desperatly short of centres we are. I hope Lawrence, Watkins and Charnley all have good ends to the season and push for selection because the current options are no where near good enough., and there's no gurantee that Ellis or Burges will play in the 4 nations.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"He was Englands best player, he was made for international rugby. He can raise his intensity in the tackle. He is the first name on the bench for me and the first player in if Ellis and Burgess get injured.'"
Thing is though, Westwood is as near as wasted on the bench and doesn't get to show his full potential. He's not an impact player, he's a player who, from the first whislte, is straight in giving 100%. He normally plays the full game for Warrington, and as seen when he's started on the bench for England in the part he doesn't perform as well as he does starting. IMO, you'd be better off playing Graham on the bench with Burgess at prop, as we know Graham can make a difference coming off the bench and would give us a better impact.
Westwood, along with Monaghan and Briers is the first name I look for when the squads are announced. I don't think people realize how good he actually is. He's hard as nail, 100% commited, a great tackler, a great metre-maker and rarely tires. I know stats don't show the whole picture but I believe they state he is currently better than Luke O'Donnel or Ryan Hoffman. He'd do very well in the NRL IMO, he has a great mould for it and has the attributes that the Aussies love over there.
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A classic example of a 'think about what you have just typed before you click the submit button' post'"
Why? What's wrong with what you have quoted?
She would expect awesome atmosphere's for untested fixtures?
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