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| Quote ="chissitt"icon_biggrin.gif Can't believe I'm saying this, well said
its funny how he can read a 28 page thread and miss the thread title.'"
Now 28 pages of rubbish about a subject that certainally 2 posters obviously do not have a clue about!!!
All supposition and no substance!!!
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| 28 pages suggests it has enough substance to keep contributors interested.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Does someone force you to read this thread or are you free click on all the other threads?'"
cant you stay on topic please
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"cant you stay on topic please'"
Fair point well made.
As I have said i think the wakey bod should opt for C1 and focus on building a club for the long term rather than lurch from one crisis to the next. That said it is interesting just how many of the wakey fans who slag Ted off - Mopsey? - probably could not run a stall and car boot sale. Indeed if they had to run a club they would s*** themselves.
Mopsey do you have a well reasoned and thought out plan to put Trin back on its feet?
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Fair point well made.
As I have said i think the wakey bod should opt for C1 and focus on building a club for the long term rather than lurch from one crisis to the next. That said it is interesting just how many of the wakey fans who slag Ted off - Mopsey? - probably could not run a stall and car boot sale. Indeed if they had to run a club they would s*** themselves.
Mopsey do you have a well reasoned and thought out plan to put Trin back on its feet?'"
As your the main criticiser of anything Wakey, surely this is a question you should answer yourself, or are you busy trying to save your car boot business from going under?
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Fair point well made.
As I have said i think the wakey bod should opt for C1 and focus on building a club for the long term rather than lurch from one crisis to the next. That said it is interesting just how many of the wakey fans who slag Ted off - Mopsey? - probably could not run a stall and car boot sale. Indeed if they had to run a club they would s*** themselves.
Mopsey do you have a well reasoned and thought out plan to put Trin back on its feet?'"
course i do sack the lot of them, the gravy train has run long enough. you are now praising lord ted and on the other hand saying hes unfit to run the club. now which is it to be.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"As your the main criticiser of anything Wakey, surely this is a question you should answer yourself, or are you busy trying to save your car boot business from going under?'"
Do tell me where i have said i am a Wakefield fan criticising the bod ? I have said that the club is a shambles and explained, factually, why I think that is so. I also think they should have the guts to step down for 2012-14.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"course i do sack the lot of them, the gravy train has run long enough. [uyou are now praising lord ted [/uand on the other hand saying hes unfit to run the club. now which is it to be.
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Really? Where? Try not to make up what other people post. It makes you look more stupid than you probably are.
I just think it is rich that wakey fans who would struggle to be reserve cone boy for the u18s assume they could run a club.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Really? Where? Try not to make up what other people post. It makes you look more stupid than you probably are.
I just think it is rich that wakey fans who would struggle to be reserve cone boy for the u18s assume they could run a club.'"
Yet you who dont seem to have any qualifications yourself as far as RL are concerned feel fit to pass comment on a club you dont even support
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Yet you who dont seem to have any qualifications yourself as far as RL are concerned feel fit to pass comment on a club you dont even support'"
What qualifications does a poster have to posses to point out that an IVA / 2 winding up orders / stadium problems / constantly having 9/10 non fed trained players etc etc is very poor? Do you want to contest these facts?
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| Quote ="Ceejames"What qualifications does a poster have to posses to point out that an IVA / 2 winding up orders / stadium problems / constantly having 9/10 non fed trained players etc etc is very poor? Do you want to contest these facts?'"
Your criticising wakey fans for what has been said about Ted and the BOD who are responsible for running the club and saying we aren't qualified to do so, yet your comments are about how bad the club and Ted's own affairs are run.
So what makes you so qualified to pass comment, as opposed to Wakey fans (and some who will know a lot more than you do about was has gone on at the club over the years)
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| No one knows more than Cee James, Tricky, you must learn this. The twisted, bitter little thing hates everything Wakey. How many user names now Cee?
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Your criticising wakey fans for what has been said about Ted and the BOD who are responsible for running the club and saying we aren't qualified to do so, yet your comments are about how bad the club and Ted's own affairs are run.
[Do try and read what I write. I have said there are wakey fans slagging of TR who could not run a car boot stall and they would cr*p themselves if they had to try and run a SL club. Do you think otherwise or do you agree with me?
So what makes you so qualified to pass comment, as opposed to Wakey fans (and some who will know a lot more than you do about was has gone on at the club over the years)
[What qualifications do you require for someone to point out your dire finances / facilities and recruitment? Your supporters seem split between the 'deniers' and those who have no constructive suggestions at all.
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Given wakey have dreadful finances how will they cope with the increased costs / lower revenues of hiring a ground of SL standard in 2012?
Perhaps one of your well informed friends can tell us how a club lurching from winding up order to winding up order - that cannot be bailed out by its chairman / owner - will manage this transition.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"No one knows more than Cee James, Tricky, you must learn this. The twisted, bitter little thing hates everything Wakey. How many user names now Cee?'"
There are several things I have complimented trin on. I suspect you will ignore them. if you cannot stomach a thread on 'not looking good for wakey' this is probably not the place for you.
However if you want to discuss the topic. Do you have a view on the additional financial pressure of hiring a ground in 2012?
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"Now 28 pages of rubbish about[u a subject that certainally 2 posters obviously do not have a clue about!!![/u[uAll supposition and no substance!!![/u'"
Could not agree with you more there squire
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| Simple Cee James, we either cope with it or don't. If we do, we survive, if we can't then we're a goner, no two ways about it. I suspect you're hoping for the latter outcome. Happy New Year!
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| Quote ="Ceejames"What qualifications does a poster have to posses to point out that stadium problems / [uconstantly having 9/10 non fed trained players etc [/uetc is very poor? Do you want to contest these facts?'"
You use the word stadium problems in the plural, one of those is well documented in it does not fit the criteria laid down by the RFL, so what are the other problems? We have atm Morrison,Jeffries,Obst,Millard,Smith, and Tony on our books and a loan agreement with Hudds for the loan of Korkidas till the end of the 2011 season, I am not going to bail you out by telling you how many that is, "if it is too difficult for you then get a grown up to help you" but it is certainly not 9/10, which I am sure if you had done your homework you would know because it would be one or the other hth.
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"It's never over 'til it's over.
I'm just waiting for the announcements from the shareholders meeting on Tuesday and then I'm going to bombard Richard Lewis, Nigel Wood, the papers etc with my opinion that;
* no team deserves to be denied a franchise
* booting out any of the existing clubs will not make SL stronger in the short term and definitely not in the long term
* the city of Wakefield, a city synonymous with rugby league, will become a branch of the Leeds United supporters club with fewer schools and amateur clubs playing rugby league and producing rugby league talent.
Most important though is to point out that Trinity have qualified for the playoffs twice and have never finished bottom of SL (Apart from when they should of when Huddersfield finished bottom). Rugby League would be thought of as a basket case if it kicked out any team that was demonstrably not the weakest team on the field. That's why this season is all to play for - how much more ridiculous would a decision to expel Wakey be if they were beating other (apparently more worthy) teams and even challenging for a play off position, despite taking a 110 points in 2 games from Huddersfield this season.
(Most) supporters have pride in the name of Wakefield Wildcats. I hope the players do this season 'cos they've got a mountain to climb but it's all about PRIDE in and SURVIVAL of our great club, it wouldn't have been though if we'd have built a ground earlier, when told to by the RFL, or asked to groundshare with Cas.
Beating Cas at MM would be a nice start. Can't wait!!!!'"
Edited. Some of it just to p*ss you off.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"There are several things I have complimented trin on. I suspect you will ignore them. if you cannot stomach a thread on 'not looking good for wakey' this is probably not the place for you.
However if you want to discuss the topic. Do you have a view on the additional financial pressure of hiring a ground in 2012?'"
Just out of interest , what ' Qualifications ' do you suggest somebody should have to run a sports club like the Wakefield Wildcats ?
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| Quote ="chissitt"You use the word stadium problems in the plural, one of those is well documented in it does not fit the criteria laid down by the RFL, so what are the other problems?
[Sorry i forgot you may have limited knowledge about RL and trin. There were stadium issues when you were promoted / Thornes park / sale of current ground with nowhere to go / stadium not up to Sl standard / the newmarket issues. HTH
We have atm Morrison,Jeffries,Obst,Millard,Smith, and Tony on our books and a loan agreement with Hudds for the loan of Korkidas till the end of the 2011 season, I am not going to bail you out by telling you how many that is, "if it is too difficult for you then get a grown up to help you" but it is certainly not 9/10, which I am sure if you had done your homework you would know because it would be one or the other hth.
[You really are clueless. So at least consistent. I said 9/ 10 non federation trained players. That means not trained in the UK federation
Morrison / Jeffries / Obst / Millard / Smith / Tony / Korkidas / Rinaldi / Henderson. these are basic things that you cannot grasp.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Just out of interest , what ' Qualifications ' do you suggest somebody should have to run a sports club like the Wakefield Wildcats ?'"
out of interest it is Tricky who thinks people should have qualifications. Perhaps you should ask him.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Simple Cee James, we either cope with it or don't. If we do, we survive, if we can't then we're a goner, no two ways about it. I suspect you're hoping for the latter outcome. Happy New Year!'"
If you read my posts rather than jumped to conclusions you would see that I am not hoping that wakey are a goner. I am suggesting that they may secure a more stable, viable long term future if the drop to c1.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"[A deduction or an advance is not really borrowing. As for making arguments on 'speculation' you do it in the next paragraph! It did not take you long to contradict yourself I look forward to you visiting all the threads speculating about how clubs will do in 2011 and lecturing them. An earlier poster claimed to have many contacts at trin and denied some coaches had not been paid. So I asked a few questions. Funnily enough that poster has been steadfastly quiet. let's wait and see'"
Dear God, you're trying hard!
So your ridiculing a poster for saying he knows someone at the club, but you didn't ridicule someone else who said he knows someone at the club? Wow. I wonder why you picked to ridicule one and not the other? Nothing to do with your agenda...
(And did you ever consider that the reply was so quick because it's a rumour that may have already been dismissed many times, and not because he's just got in touch with them to reply to someone on a message board?!)
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Quote ="Ceejames"[Loads of speculation there. Which is fine, unless you criticise others for speculating So not putting a bid in will lead to destruction while putting one in and waiting a few months, and then getting a NO, would be okay. '"
I'm not speculating. It would happen (they would go bust). There is plenty of evidence to support this. If they declared this season a right off from the start and that they were going down the year after, they would go bust. They would get very little income (why would fans bother to come?), and their chairman wouldn't be able to prop them up as (as you have stated numerous times) he is hardly rolling in the money at the moment. It would be a terrible, terrible business decision that would kill them off unless someone else stepped in with a shed load of money like at Widnes.
Now, when you've found evidence that Wakefield have been getting Sky money early then you can use that in your argument and it will be credible. But might I add, if other clubs have done it (which I know has happened in the past), it's not really a very good point to make as they aren't exactly being singled out!
Quote ="Ceejames"[The wakey squad will be playing for the Challenge Cup /Play offs and grand Final in 2011 whether they bid for a licence or get a licence. Can they only be ambitious if a bid is submitted? What a wimpish attitude.'"
Being ambitious isn't saying you don't think you're good enough for that league, we're stepping back. Do you think the fans will "support" them in the wake of this decision? They'd vote with their feet. They'd lose interest. You talk about it being a "wimpish" attitude, but you'd probably do the same if it was your club. Fans are fickle. It's not an attractive proposition. It's not the message you want to send out to your clients, is it?
Quote ="Ceejames"[I think wakey's best chance of long term survival wil be to stop wasting time and resources on a SL bid. If they focus on a stripped down backroom operation and getting a solid C1 squad + a decent smaller ground they could be competitive on the field. With gates of 2k+ and the benefits of their strong community work they could become far more stable financially. There is no lack of ambition there, just fewer pipedreams.
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I don't think they'd make it to next season if they came out and told everyone they're focusing on that option. They have to show that they're doing all they can to keep the fans dreams alive, otherwise they won't support them. That's what spectator sports about to most people.
They should plan for both. You call it wasting resources, but without them ambitions they won't have the same resources to use anyway.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Really? Where? Try not to make up what other people post. It makes you look more stupid than you probably are.
I just think it is rich that wakey fans who would struggle to be reserve cone boy for the u18s assume they could run a club.'"
So out of interest who do you think is responsible for all the terrible failings at Wakey that you keep pointing out?
Which Wakey fans are assuming they could run the club?
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| not only widnes are a better club than wakey, i think fax would be as well
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