yes because you do, as i have shown
nope, he isnt, he certainly isnt good enough to be taking a spot from an English player, he is OK.
which player do you think isnt getting games because of Keith?

yes they are wrong imo. We can debate whether or not Buderus has been a success, but that misses the point as spectacularly as you normally do. Buderus when signed was a CURRENT Australian international, he was among the best hookers in the world WHEN he was signed. Now unless your point (which would be even more idiotic than Lee Smith not playing in spite of clear evidence that he does) is that we should ignore the best players in the world because they may not reach the same heights they are CURRENTLY playing at and instead sign players who have never played at even close to their level because they may improve a bit then your line of argument here is unadulterated idiocy!

which wouldnt be a surprise

Quote ="SmokeyTA"Clearly you would have been better putting your eggs in the young English basket instead of spending time and money on dross likelike Mark O'neill, '" Did you watch how that SL season panned out for us. Mark O'neill was awesome and we wanted him to sign for another year rather then him retire. If we didn't sign Mark O'neill he wouldn't have staggered over the line for one of his two tries that he scored against Salford with 5 games of the season to go. That game against Salford IMO kept us in SL. Lose and Salford went above us in the league and there was a good chance that Hull KR could have being relegated instead of Salford. We may then have never got ourselves back into the SL under the franchise system. O'neill played 17 games in that season and scored 5 tries. Granted he missed 10 games but what he did was keep us in SL www.hullkrfans.co.uk/teamstats/m ... atchid=274

Quote ="SmokeyTA"Clearly you would have been better putting your eggs in the young English basket instead of spending time and money on dross likelike Mark O'neill, '" Did you watch how that SL season panned out for us. Mark O'neill was awesome and we wanted him to sign for another year rather then him retire. If we didn't sign Mark O'neill he wouldn't have staggered over the line for one of his two tries that he scored against Salford with 5 games of the season to go. That game against Salford IMO kept us in SL. Lose and Salford went above us in the league and there was a good chance that Hull KR could have being relegated instead of Salford. We may then have never got ourselves back into the SL under the franchise system. O'neill played 17 games in that season and scored 5 tries. Granted he missed 10 games but what he did was keep us in SL www.hullkrfans.co.uk/teamstats/m ... atchid=274

Who are you talking about, Fisher or Diskin?





I can't believe that the vaunted Leeds youth system hasn't produced a centre in three years (which should be plenty of time

) to replace the "average" (three years ago according to some

) Keith Senior!





We could debate whether or not Buderus has been a success, but we weren't. We were discussing:

1. My contention that Fisher has been better value than Buderus this year (and let me remind you that you consider Fisher as good as Diskin therefore good enough to be in the starting 17 for Leeds)



2. Whether Buderus has lived up to his reputation playing for Leeds or not.

3. Whether a 33 year old Aussie (before the start of next season) has his best playing years ahead of him or whether a 24 year old Aussie has his best playing years ahead of him.

You may want to twist the argument away from the subjects that make you feel awkward but I'm happy to get to the bottom of this one Smokey.

SmokeyTA Sept 2010

SmokeyTA May 2007.

The only difference in context here is that in May 2007 Senior was being mooted as a potential signing by Hull KR. I think I understand context very well Smokey.

Pssst, Diskin is English



Hey Keith is Keith, he wasnt great after his injury in 2005, he struggled for a couple of years but has had a bit of an Indian Summer, he wouldnt however have been playing so much at centre this year if not for Watkins injury. Im also pretty sure Lee Smith played last season at centre and played for England as well. So what you are really confused about is we havent produced 3 centres better than the best English centre of his generation. Odd but standard for you

i think i just told you that
no i dont, i dont really rate Diskin that highly, i also didnt say Fisher was as good as Diskin, simply comparable, i.e he, like Diskin, wasnt at the same level as the others mentioned.

didnt you just say we werent discussing that?
no we werent. Thats an idiotic argument, Who cares who has the best playing years ahead of them. I likely have my best playing years ahead of me. Im not expecting a contract offer any time soon

, though if i go and get an australian passport im sure it wouldnt take long for me to get the call from Justin Morgan



Also Buderus when he signed was a 30 year old Current Australian international.

there is no twisting or turning, you have just confused yourself again

What we were discussing wasnt whether Buderus lived up to his reputation or whether or not he has his best years ahead of him.

What we were discussing was whether or not a current Australian international, a Dally M player of the year, NSW record breaking captain was a better signing, who added more to the league at 30 than a 24 year old who cant get a regular gig at NRL level. You made the comparison for some reason, now you are trying to back away from it

i think you have confused yourself again



im still waiting for you to explain which of these players are young English players?BEN COCKAYNE 25
SCOTT MURRELL 23
JON STEEL 28
IAN HARDMAN 22
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JON GODDARD 26
=#FF0000ANDREAS BAUER 25
KEITH SENIOR 32
PAUL COOKE 27
=#FF0000JAMES WEBSTER 29
=#FF0000MAKALI AIZUE 29
=#BFFF00DAVID TANGATA TOA 27
DANNY WARD 28
STEVE SNITCH 24
=#FF0000BEN FISHER 27
=#FF0000MARK LENNON 28
=#FF0000MARK O'NEILL 33
CHRIS CHESTER 29
JASON NETHERTON 25
IAIN MORRISON 25
DANNY HILL 23
TOMMY GALLAGHER 23
=#FF0000STANLEY GENE 103
=#FF0000JIM GANNON 31
=#FF0000BYRON FORD 26
GARETH MORTON 25

So what you have shown us Smokey is that noy only have we reduced the number of overseas players we have, we have also increased the quality of our overseas imports by some fair margin

indeed, you have managed to reduce the number by a whole 1 player. At this rate by 2015 you will only need 9 overseas players, well done Hull Kingston Australia

Really? Thanks for that





Better than the "average" in 2007 Keith Senior, let me remind you what you said in May 2007...



That's three years for the fantastic Leeds youth system to replace an "average" centre, but let's be clear on this...





Really? that's surprising because with the young, English Paul McShane in the Leeds squad...





I imagine that most fans do, I imagine that the point of signing a player is that he's going to either live up to the reputation he has gained already or he will develop into a player that objective fans can look at and think, yeah, he's been a good signing for us. Good value, if you will. Neither of which category does Buderus, according to many Leeds fans, fall into.



I don't care what he's done in Australia, it is of no relevance to me and especially no relevance to Leeds. How has he gone for Leeds this season? Has he looked like a current Australian International? I hope so because we'll walk the 4 nations!



Yes there was, there still is you wriggly little chap!









Short term memory loss Smokey?





Buderus has added nothing, which if he had been playing for Hull KR, I'm sure you would agree.









Blake Green hasn't even played in SL yet but if he adds as much to the league as Dobson, I'll be quite happy. Still if he turns out to be a penalty machine that goes missing in important games I'm sure you'll be congratulating Rovers on signing a player who adds as much to the league as Buderus.

Rovers will have 4 of Englands potential back five playing for them next season

and is older than God

Does the wink mean you are being sarcastic?

Because if you are talking about Welham, Hall, Briscoe and Fox (who is the Ok, but only in the sqaud due to the poor quality of the wingers). you must be right?

Answer me 1 question.
When Vella and Galea retire (next year I would imagine) will we be able to sign more aussies to replace them looking at the exemption rules as they are now?
A simple yes or no will do.

Is 5 overseas players the limit for Superleague clubs next year? A simple YES will do

Yes and we have 5.
Next question.

So...only 5 of your players were born overseas........the rest are all UK born, trained etc......?
Outstanding work.....don't know why this thread has gone on this long when you only have 5 overseas players......Lock It!

Go and have a look again as what the RFL class as overseas players then have a look at our squad.
I think you will find all but 5 are either fed trained or homegrown.

Aha......so there are players in your squad who were born in the southern hemisphere, but are exempt due to other criteria coming into play......as I said, oustanding work...we should lock this thread immediately


How many of your squad were born outside the UK? Just a question....not trying to start anything.
Also, how many of your current squad are from the Hull region......

For gods sake don't start that 'Hull Kingston Australians' thing again Gutters

I've only just finished clearing the abusive private messages out of my inbox from last time you started that

Hey that's really good......no really

Where would we be if Microsoft Paint hadn't been created all those years ago eh.

We earned our place in SL - you didn't....



HTH.

Well Clint Newton ws born on Orchard Park and Galea is actually from Holderness road so.........

I'm more worried about what the RFL will do to us when they realise we have more overseas players than we are allowed