The Wigan team that had a higher average attendance than Saints in 2022?

Yes, but it wasn,t in Manly's back yard which is what the original Rogue's trollling comment is about.

As regards to spending didn't the Wigoons spend big to keep up in Superleague by spending a record breaking £220 000 breach the most ever in superleague history and that was at the expense of Castleford.

So my points are still valid, bought success and bought out from failure..............Amen.


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No you are correct but we did beat Brisbane in their back yard which was a fantastic as we were down players.
Stains have spent big in the past Newlove,Scully to try and keep up but couldnt.
What Wigan did better than the Stains was got the better coaches --Lowe,Monie etc which improved us and with us having the better conveyer belt of local talent than Stains kept us in front of Stains.
All teams spend money to improve but you need a strong base which Wigan have had and will still develop see reserve GF winners.

Now the trouble with you STAINMAN you think Stains are greatest team ever they are NOT.
I would also point out that you are a troubled person and maybe should seek help with your fixation about Wigan,it must be messing your meds up.AMEN

Saints didn't spend big moneywise on Newlove it was 3 player exchanges and a bit of private funding. Scully was a big buy that created a 7 year dynasty dominance in Superleague. So your brain cells are quite way off there.

Yes, all teams spend money to improve within limits, but Wigoon bought success and a halt on failure. For Wigoons that outcome is that Wigan Athletic are the boss when it comes to when you can play rugby at the latics stadium which includes the odd wedding and stand closure.

No fixation about Wigan, its great entertainment Wigoons trying to defend the indefensible. You will just have to accept you are in the Saints SHADOW in terms of consistent success for quite a few years now.

You did spend big money,and how can we be in your shadow as we have won more and it will take to around 2045 to get near what the most famous RL team in the world have won.
You are like a little jack russell barking at the big dog trying to get noticed.STAINS are second best to Wigan in RL history that is a fact and you must accept it.
Stains have been better than Wigan lately (4yrs) but it will turn round.


I also get great entertainment for all you STAINS fans want and need everyone else say you are super duper and the best team ever,it is very very needy of you.

You are living so much in the past I think you need to name yourself as "Jethro Tull". You keep constantly telling us that we think we are the best team ever but we never claim that. What is not in doubt is that we are the best team in the Superleague era, it must be very difficult for you to mentally come to terms with that. I assume thats why you keep coming back to have the last word with an ever weakening response and somewhat lacking in originality.

Jeez you lot, this angry debate over which of you is the second biggest club in the UK is like two bald men arguing over a comb.

Pathetic isnt it. "Stains". "Wigoon"

I agree, I only say that in retaliation but will not from now on.
Apologies to the good ST Helens fans and anyone else who is offended by the bickering.

Thanks mate. Apology accepted

no problem

It will be interesting, if in 40 years time this Sintellins team rack up enough honours to surpass Wigan overall, whether that will prompt a reframing and suddenly all of history will be taken into account. At the current rate, they will eventually surpass Wigan, and become the most successful sporting organisation on the planet.

RL will be reset again before that happens ala Superleague era

We don't recognise the 88-95 period anyway and no one should.

And you aren't joking

Wigan winning the league in those days was an achievement on par with Leigh winning the Championship this year. Wigan spent far more than Leigh compared to the rest of the league too. Sure Leeds spent a bit too and were their Featherstone, but the vast majority of the league had no chance. It was telling that the year they levelled the playing field, Wigan suddenly lost the trophies they'd had for a decade.

When IMG take over will be the start of the next era.

You do know that Leeds were the first full time Rugby League club don't you?

Wigan and Widnes followed soon after. St Helens were more or less full time, none of their overseas signings had jobs here and like Leeds they spent big but to no avail.

You and fans like you really do try to re-write history. Must try harder

Only one club had to sell their spiritual home to cover the debts their accrued spending big, and now have to play second fiddle to a third rate football club.

It was because of the cost of the Whitbread Stand, it went massively over cost due to old mining works. Carry on trying to re-write history though.

Latics are actually second rate (Championship don't you know).

Only by looking at sintellins can we understand the true meaning, the essence of success. A beacon of light in a dark, unforgiving world.

This is an amazing myth Wigan fans - i've seen others use it - have created to try and legitimise their era of buying trophies



I can only assume they weren't alive or fans at the time otherwise they'd remember the truth.

The amazing myth is that Wigan bought all the best players in that era.
What Wigan did was buy the players that would suit them like Hanley,Offiah etc with a combination of home grown players such as Faz,Gildart,Edwards,Radders,Marshall,Clark,Lucas etc.some not superstars like Cowie,Potter,Byrne,Mcginty etc
We just did it better than anyone else at the time.One thing we def did was get the best coaches Monie,Lowe which created a dynasty at the time.
We did go pro 94/95 season Leeds followed soon after,now they did try to buy their way to winning they even spent big money on the greatest full back ever from the All blacks but was not as successful.So for a good 8yrs or so Wigan was not full time-Faz was still training as joiner when he signed,Preston was trainng as a accountant,Clark was at college etc.
Re the stadium myth-Mr Whelan wanted a new stadium for the football but to get the funding he needed 2 different sports to share he toyed with the Idea with Orrell RU but dispelled that is would not work so he had bought Wigan Ath for £1 and because after the Whitbread stand costing too much Wigan were in a weak position so he bought them for 7million so now he owned his 2 different sports and so he built the stadium rest is history so to speak. He even flew back from his holiday home in Barbados to a AGM meeting at Wigan RL to buy all the shares he could get to get control and then flew back straight after.

Now this debate will go on for ever as there will always be someone to say Wigan bought,Wigan cheated,Wigan did this Wigan did that to win but the facts are they were dominant at the time and did it by being better than anyone at the time and did not cheat etc etc etc.

Nobody's saying Wigan cheated (not in this respect anyway!)

But their being the equivalent of Leigh in the Championship this year is worthy of note at least.

Ok but it isnt the equivalent as everyone had the same chances as Wigan but Wigan did it better,as Saints have been doing as Leeds did it as did Bradford aswell.
Leeds when they won everything had the same chances as everyone else of course they did,just that they did it better as all other teams that win.
Other fans have really got to accept that Wigan were very good then and move on from coming up with reasons why they were good and stop blaming Wigan for their teams not being as good.
I for one accept that at various points that Bradford,Leeds and St helens have been great for a few years on and off (also Wigan have a won few things in super league aswell)

Success comes around for teams at various points yours might be starting who knows as could be ours (I would say it has started as we did win the CC),but good luck anyway.

As for Leigh,good on them I say.