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| Quote ="RLBandit"The question of the appropriate time window over which to assess how things are going is a good one. Clearly comparing one week to the next is too short for useful info, but then I'm not sure of the useful value of comparing with the start of SL either ( its interesting, but not practically useful). I mean, sure, we can say its better or worse than year X ( take anything between 1895 and 2012) but really all that matters is "how are we doing now?, are we doing the right things to make sure the curve is in the right direction? Are we doing any wrong things that are holding back growth?" People call this pessismism, I don't know why, but my attitude to it is: if attendences seem, on reasonable evidence, to be drifting a bit lower, we should be on it in a flash to get it fixed, and if they're higher, we should be asking what we need to do to make them even higher - including of course identifying those positive factors which are working and seeing if they can be further enhanced.
In other words, the exact opposite attitude to that of: making excuses for falls, and resting-on-laurels when things rise. Its not pessimism, its wanting the game to be the best it can be.'"
Exactly my point when posting the Championship averages for this year, the question is , are the figures acceptable today, not wether they are better or worse than the past, and also are they the best we can achieve, if they are not, then why not, and what can be done to improve them
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| UPDATE...
London V Hull KR in 2013 = 1,837
London V Hull KR in 2012 = 2,525
Percentage decrease in attendance = -27.25%
29 out of 40 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Hull FC's attendance no doubt artificially boosted by their [url=http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Hull-FC-fans-Bring-friend-fiver/story-18286578-detail/story.html#axzz2N2RQBTmb[ubring a friend for a FIVER offer[/u[/url.'"
or you could say well done to the club for making an effort to sell tickets for a game against a poor superleague team on a dark freezing cold friday evening, and getting their reward with an increased attendance
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| Quote ="William Eve"UPDATE...
London V Hull KR in 2013 = 1,837
London V Hull KR in 2012 = 2,525
Percentage decrease in attendance = -27.25%
29 out of 40 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.'"
1812 home fans there tonight though. Hardly their fault if no one from east hull turns up
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| Quote ="the artist"or you could say well done to the club for making an effort to sell tickets for a game against a poor superleague team on a dark freezing cold friday evening, and getting their reward with an increased attendance'"
If they are going to do an offer like this they really have to promote it more and get into school and see it advertised all over the city and aim for a 15k+ gate. I know wigan do it really well one game a year. If they only do it half d Hull could end up actually losing money.
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| [uSL Round 6 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year[/u
Hull V Castleford in 2013 = 11,852
Hull V Castleford in 2012 = 11,607
% increase in attendance = +2.11%
Leeds V Huddersfield in 2013 = 15,013
Leeds V Huddersfield in 2012 = 15,408
% decrease in attendance = -2.56%
Warrington V St Helens in 2013 = 13,381
Warrington V St Helens in 2012 = 15,000
% decrease in attendance = -10.79%
Widnes V Bradford in 2013 = 5,861
Widnes V Bradford in 2012 = 5,687
% increase in attendance = +3.06%
Wigan V Catalan in 2013 = 12,149
Wigan V Catalan in 2012 = 14,464
% decrease in attendance = -16.01%
London V Hull KR in 2013 = 1,837
London V Hull KR in 2012 = 2,525
% decrease in attendance = -27.25%
Wakefield V Salford in 2013 = 6,986
Wakefield V Salford in 2012 = 6,748
% increase in attendance = +3.53%
Total Attendance in SL Round 6 = 67,079
Total Attendance same fixtures last year = 71,439
Percentage drop in attendance = -6.10%
4 fixtures out of 7 in Round 6 this year have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.
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Out of 41 SL fixtures played thus far in 2013, 12 out of 41 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixture last year. 29 out of 41 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixture last year.
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| [uRound 1 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 64,387 (Avg: 9,19icon_cool.gif
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 63,376 (Avg: 9,054)
% increase = +1.59%
[uRound 2 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 69,809 (Avg: 9,973)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,989 (Avg: 10,284)
% decrease = -3.03%
[uRound 3 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 58,711 (Avg: 8,387)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,246 (Avg: 10,17icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -17.59%
[uRound 4 Fixtures (6 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 46,166 (Avg: 7,694)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 55,477 (Avg: 9,246)
% decrease = -16.78%
[uRound 5 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 50,207 (Avg: 7,172)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 57,593 (Avg: 8,22icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -12.82%
[uRound 6 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 67,079 (Avg: 9,583)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,439 (Avg: 10,206)
% decrease = -6.10%
[uRounds 1 to 6 Fixtures (41 in total)[/u
Total attendance for 41 fixtures in 2013 = 356,359 (Avg: 8,692)
Total attendance for same 41 fixtures in 2012 = 391,120 (Avg: 9,540)
% decrease = -8.89%
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| Quote ="William Eve"[uSL Round 6 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year[/u
Wakefield V Salford in 2013 = 6,986
Wakefield V Salford in 2012 = 6,748
% increase in attendance = -27.25%
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I'm not Stephen Hawking but I make that an increase on 2013 of 238 which is + 3.7% increase on last seasons attendance .
Maybe if you went to a game or two each round instead of battering us with your Phil Clarke-esque statistical montony it would knocked up your averages up by now a point or two ?
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| Quote ="middleman"W.E.
I'm not Stephen Hawking but I make that an increase on 2013 of 238 which is + 3.7% increase on last seasons attendance'"
+3.53% actually.
Quote ="middleman"Maybe if you went to a game or two each round instead of battering us with your Phil Clarke-esque statistical montony it would knocked up your averages up by now a point or two ?'"
My apologies... I copied and pasted the wrong % figure from the London V Hull KR fixture by mistake.
I used to attend regularly but since regular round SL fixtures were rendered meaningless in the rush to reward SL mediocrity, I rarely bother attending these days.
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| The average attendance this week in the [i"worth winning in it's own right feeder club Championship"[/i was 7,822/7 = [u1,117[/u
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| Quote ="William Eve"The average attendance this week in the [i"worth winning in it's own right feeder club Championship"[/i was 7,822/7 = [u1,117[/u'"
Oi billy , nick mi job why dont you
You stick to SL ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="Starbug"Oi billy , nick mi job why dont you
You stick to SL
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Remind me again what you get for winning the thing that's worth winning in its own right? Is it better than what you got when it was only worth winning in another thing's right?
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| Quote ="RLBandit":3ez5b9ovRemind me again what you get for winning the thing that's worth winning in its own right? Is it better than what you got when it was only worth winning in another thing's right?'" , i am not discussing the * and * issue , I just want to see all clubs progressing , and all clubs being given help where needed , ideally by the use of a strategy with clear aims and targets , not just ' waffle '
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| Dear Billy, thanks for the info. Have you considered sending your reams of analysis to the RFL and asked for their comments. I'm sure having an analytical genius like you onside would make their job so much easier. Alternatively why not go and play with your trainset.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Oi billy , nick mi job why dont you
You stick to SL
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Seeing as you introduced Championship attendances to the SL attendance thread, I thought I'd be on safe ground mentioning it here in it's own right but obviously not
My apologies. I shall leave the Championship figures to you from now on.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Seeing as you =#FF0000introduced Championship attendances to the SL attendance thread, I thought I'd be on safe ground mentioning it here in it's own right but obviously not
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My apologies. I shall leave the Championship figures to you from now on.'"
Only because somebody asked ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif) , and if I started my own thread , there would only be me on it , because nobody comments on them anyway , they are like the ' loony aunt ' locked away in the attic , everybody knows that there is something wrong , but nobody wants to discuss it because its embarrassing
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Dear Billy, thanks for the info. Have you considered sending your reams of analysis to the RFL and asked for their comments. I'm sure having an analytical genius like you onside would make their job so much easier. Alternatively why not go and play with your trainset.'"
There may exist a remote possibility that you are concerned about your beloved Hull FC's home attendances this season which show a 6.87% decrease compared to last year for the same fixtures. However, if that figure doesn't concern you enough, perhaps the 14.77% decrease compared to 2011... or the 20.10% decrease compared to 2010... or the 12.80% decrease compared to 2009... or the 12.46% decrease compared to 2008 might make you sit up and notice?
No?
Oh well... you are from Hull after all.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Seeing as you =#FF0000introduced Championship attendances to the SL attendance thread, I thought I'd be on safe ground mentioning it here in it's own right but obviously not
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My apologies. I shall leave the Championship figures to you from now on.'"
Only because somebody asked ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif) , and if I started my own thread , there would only be me on it , because nobody comments on them anyway , they are like the ' loony aunt ' locked away in the attic , everybody knows that there is something wrong , but nobody wants to discuss it because its embarrassing
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| Quote ="Starbug"Only because somebody asked
, and if I started my own thread , there would only be me on it , because nobody comments on them anyway , they are like the ' loony aunt ' locked away in the attic , everybody knows that there is something wrong , but nobody wants to discuss it because its embarrassing'"
The RFL doesn't give a about the Championship as evidenced by it's support for the "SL feeder club" final nail in the coffin policy. The really sad part is that a sizeable number of SL fans and SL clubs don't give a toss either. They'll all live to regret it.
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| Quote ="William Eve"The RFL doesn't give a poop about the Championship as evidenced by it's support for the "SL feeder club" final nail in the coffin policy. The really sad part is that a sizeable number of SL fans and SL clubs don't give a toss either. They'll all live to regret it.'"
Exactly the reason I want to keep reminding them , on your thread if thats OK ?
Nil illigittimi carborundum William ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Anything below the top flight has been an irrelevance since the league was split into divisions anyway
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| Quote ="Code13"Anything below the top flight has been an irrelevance since the league was split into divisions anyway'"
As I said , Illigittimi ![WAVE icon_wave.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wave.gif)
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| Quote ="middleman"W.E.
I'm not Stephen Hawking but I make that an increase on 2013 of 238 which is + 3.7% increase on last seasons attendance .
Maybe if you went to a game or two each round instead of battering us with your Phil Clarke-esque statistical montony it would knocked up your averages up by now a point or two ?'"
Is there a week that goes by on this thread when William DOESN'T post incorrect figures ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Round 6
2012 = 66,171
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| Quote ="Starbug"As I said , I am just posting the number [ thats if william doesnt sneak in before me , i am not discussing the * and * issue , I just want to see all clubs progressing , and all clubs being given help where needed , ideally by the use of a strategy with clear aims and targets , not just ' waffle ''"
Smokey keeps referring me to all kinds of documents which explain the RFL's "strategy". It doesn't make any sense to me, but he also explains that I don't understand strategy, so it must just be me. Seems like they've got it all sorted out and we can just sit back, relax, and wach the game grow.
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