and meanwhile, its advisable not to hold your breath

Simply because it wasn't a try, even Thaler couldn't pull that one out of the bag.

Can't remember what happened actually - was it the Saints player had knocked on, or the tackle had been completed before he offloaded? Either way I remember that it definitely wasn't a try.

Because I’m sick of people acting as if ref’s aren’t human and don’t deserve criticism or ever make mistake when in SOME instances they do.

On these boards people complain about and criticise everything from players & coaches to politicians and society but yet when one person even mentions a ref got something wrong the pro ref brigade are out in full force defending them to a hilt. It’s laughable how refs are put on such a high pedestal by some people and anyone wanting an apology or explanation to a bad decision is accused of having a vendetta or of being a sore loser.

I’m not saying ref’s cost teams game but what I am saying tho is some big decisions need explaining imo and if the decision is wrong then an apology would defiantly help and would stop massive debates ragging on forums like this and provide some sort of closure.

Why is it big decisions aren’t explained by the refs and if they are wrong why would it be so hard to admit it? Refs are human and make mistakes but for some reason they don’t seem to want to admit it?

Just as coach might protect an underperforming player, the RFL has to back its Refs if they are to retain their confidence. Poor refs should be 'rested', not 'punished', and that has to be decided by their line manager, not representatives of clubs (not directly at least). I like Morgan and I don't much care for Thaler, but if we won't have him, what is to stop Cas binning Ganson, Quins vetoing Bentham (as random examples) and so on until we can't put fixtures together?

Bad refs are like bad weather - it happens and there isn't much you can do about it. At least we got Thalered in a game everyone seems to acknowledge we'd have lost anyway.

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Although what does explaining big decisions have to do with Morgan having a rant?

Are you serious, the refs are the most criticised people in the game in this message board!!

Big decisions explained, why do you need an explanation?? Its bleeding obvious, that's what he thought happened at that point in th game that's why he gave the decision, get over it.

Of course the refs performances should be monitored and critisised but not in public by the coach of a side who has just been beaten.

It's so predictable that once a ref is put down the usual people come to the rescue calling every one sore losers etc.

Why should I get over it? I’ve not payed £17+ for refs to make the wrong decisions? I want explanations why he thought he could change the rules as he saw fit

Bob on.



Do you pay £17+ to see players drop balls and miss tackles - or do only refs make split-second decisions that can be wrong?

Indeed. And you didn't.


OK.

He didn't. And he didn't.

Because thats what he did didnt he, he changed the rules just because he wanted too?



You've paid £17 to go watch a Rugby League match in which, the players, coaches and referees will all make a few mistakes, what do you want Mr Thaler to do? pay you back your £17?

Of course its your coach being a sore loser, I bet he doesnt say a dicky bird about the ref the next time you win.

Have you payed £17+ to watch players knock on, make silly passes, miss conversion kicks????

Lol and the players get shot down for it and are rightly moaned at after. Do refs not make mistakes that can be questioned or talked about as well? Why is there such a difference?

Occasionally the players apologise for it also take Gaz Hock’s greedy play against Bradford the guy held his hand up and apologised for it. How times have teams admitted the have underperformed and let the fans down? It’s about taking accountability and responsibility for performances.

How many times has a ref or Cummings admitted that a performance wasn’t to the level required? It’s as if they don’t care imo and are above the average fans who watch the game

Players and coaches rightly get stick just look at the Wigan board at the moment for proof but why not the refs?

accuracy.

Not true. As I’d think everyone knows, it wasn’t the [ifact[/i of making criticisms, it was the [ipersonal abuse[/i and [ivitriol[/i. If you really can’t see the difference, there’s something wrong with you. It is a simple and plainly obvious distinction.


Rubbish., because:
1. They could not be criticised any more openly than they are. Just spend 10 minutes on here after a game!
2. YOU and Justine claim it was a “poor performance” but you need to get it in your head that you holding an opinion does NOT make it a fact. It is one thing saying “in my opinion X was a poor decision”, quite another saying “this ref is incompetent, useless, he always is biased, he should be sacked or dropped”.
3. Plenty of people seem to think it was the opposite of a poor performance.


“Punished”? FFS. Whose call was it? His? Linesman? Both? A judgment call was made and maybe it was wrong. This is no big deal. It happens. Of course it may have been an important call but it is no worse to miss a forward pass in the last seconds for a try, than in the first minute on the 4th tackle. It was not Smith’s fault that the game was so close, and he didn't deliberately miss it.

In any case, where we fundamentally disagree is you seem to think because a ref may fail to call a forward pass, this should lead to “punishment”. To me, this is just barking. If you don’t understand why, there’s no point in telling you.


No, they're not. How many decisions does a ref make in 80 minutes? many thousands. How many mistakes constitute having a 'p*ss poor' game? if you think about it, the refs' error count is invariably much, much lower than the players.


Yes I can. I repeat that in my opinion, the refereeing so far this season is much better than this time last year, and watching all the games I do on Sky I reckon overall the refs are performing very well.



I am? So when You said:- – you actually meant you do NOT want them to have some sort of public disciplinary for poor performances and shocking decisions.
Then when you said
…
- you meant you are [ihappy[/i that referees are not (in your view) publicly accountable.
OK. And when you said

… you didn’t at all mean that they should be publicly slagged off and publicly knocked down from their pedestals. You actual meant that NOTHING SHOULD BE SAID and they should REMAIN ON THEIR (alleged) PEDESTALS unmolested.
I see. You say the exact opposite of what you mean. A strange carry on, but at least now we know

Seeing as all this boo hoo hoo about match officials continues, I have a suggestion for the RFL to consider.

3 trial matches in SL. Co-op and Co-op 1 at the end of the season with teams who have nothing to play for.

No match officials at all except for time keepers.

All the moaners on here to go along to respective games.

It would be "interesting" at least, and the comments afterwards even more "interesting"

With the Aussies going to 2 match officials why not see if no match officials works.

You never know until you try, except for all the experts match officials on these forums who know without trying

Lol guess no one can have an opinion unless that person has tried it first eh?

all this bleating and whining about the ref's performance....................

how come no match reports i've read or reports from any media outlet has mentioned anythnig about what morgan is moaning about?

it could be coincidence that the only people who saw anything wrong with thaler was the hull kr coach and hull kr fans

Fecking whinging aussies should all feck off home.

Why not let the fans officiate the games ???

I would love to ref a Bulls v Leeds match

Just like at Cardiff when he didn't see anything wrong as the result went in their favour.

I think Morgan may have actually said something along the lines of "what goes around comes around"

Well, off the top of my head I can think of the MM match where Leeds won the match from off-side.

Refs are not the same thing as players - a good analogy would be teachers and pupils. Teachers make mistakes but the biggest effect on the classroom is the mistakes that pupils make. At times it is best in the lesson for teachers to give a warning to pupils, not a sanction, despite the rules of the school calling on them to do so. It IS important that teachers admitt their mistakes from time to time, but most of the time they cannot afford to do so, as this erodes their authority and leads to excessive questioning of their decisions.

I think it would be very interesting to have a match write-up by the ref afterwards, explaining their decisions, it would be very educational for all us viewers. But this would not be for the purpose of auditing referee performance but for educating the viewers.

I have been watching rugby league for over 50 years both Hull teams and in australia I am not a rovers supporter but a rugby league supporter but I can honestly say that sundays performance from Mr Thaler was the worst refereeing performance I have ever seen. Not only him but his 2 assistants or lines men in old money where abismal. When is the rugby football league going to accept that some of our officials are down right useless. Forward passes are the main bone of contention with me every team in the league do it and get away with it. I can't believe that the league dont know it is happenning it is killing the game I can understand why Justin Morgan went off things that are happenning now are costing coaches there jobs. It is ok saying you must respect referees and officials but surely they must earn the respect if no one criticises them they must think they can walk on water all I can say is GET A GRIP Mr Lewis before the game collapses around you.

Oh Dear


Please lock it or merge it before it turns into another "boo hoo....do you not know who we are....we are the famous HKR" thread.

I too think the Refereeing standards have gone down - BUT without them there will be no game !
we've all been guilty of laying into a ref over the years but what if everytime a ref copped abuse on the scale that Mr Thaler did from Morgan on Monday he decided to quit the game ?
We would find ourselves in a situation where no one would want to take up the whistle anymore, therefore no more games.

i personally wouldnt want to do it so i do applaud these guys for having the nerve and bottle to go out there every week, knowing that he's gonna get abuse hurled at him for everything he doesnt get right.
Would you want to go to work knowing that you were going to get called every name under the sun and have people calling you names because you didnt do your job 100% correctly every day ?

Every coach after every game can probably find something wrong in the Ref's performance but Justin Morgan went too far - it was more or less a personal attack on him rather than his work and we dont need that in our game.
Until enough people say "yeah am gonna be a Ref" we are stuck with them, and so be it if this great game is to continue in the future.